(*)
(*)
>> Rosemary: ON THIS THURSDAY
NIGHT A STARKLY DIFFERENT
VERSION OF EVENTS.
>> THERE WAS NO INAPPROPRIATE
PRESSURE PUT ON THE MINISTER AT
ANY TIME.
>> Rosemary: THIS TIME FROM
CANADA'S TOP CIVIL SERVANT WHO
SAYS THAT THE FORMER MINISTER OF
JUSTICE WAS NOT PUSHED TO
INTERVENE IN THE CRIMINAL CASE
INVOLVING SNC-LAVALIN.
BUT WHY WAS SHE WARNED OF THE
POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE
COMPANY?
"AT ISSUE" IS HERE.
>> WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESTROY THE
CHURCH, WE'RE HERE TO RE-WRITE
THE COURSE OF THE CHURCH.
>> Adrienne: THE VATICAN LOOKS
AT ITS DARK HISTORY WITH AN
UNPRECEDENTED SUMMIT ON CHILD
SEXUAL ABUSE.
BUT WILL THIS ACTUALLY LEAD TO
CHANGE?
>> JUSSIE SMOLLETT TOOK
ADVANTAGE OF THE PAIN AND ANGER
OF RACISM TO PROMOTE HIS CAREER.
>> Ian: PLUS THE PERPLEXING
ACTIONS OF JUSSIE SMOLLETT.
WHY WOULD THE AMERICAN ACTOR SET
UP AN ATTACK ON HIMSELF AND WHAT
WOULD THE MOTIVE BE?
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
(*)
>> Rosemary: CANADA'S MOST
POWERFUL BUREAUCRAT SAYS THAT HE
DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT THE FORMER
ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS PRESSURED
TO SETTLE THE SNC-LAVALIN
CRIMINAL CASE.
HIS STATEMENT WAS PART OF A
REMARKABLE EXCHANGE AS THE FIRST
WITNESSES CAUGHT UP IN THIS
CONTROVERSY BEGIN TO TESTIFY
HERE IN OTTAWA.
MICHAEL WERNICK IS CANADA'S TOP
CIVIL SERVANT AND HE
DELIVERED A SHARP REBUKE TO
ACCUSATIONS.
HIS TESTIMONY OFFERS NEW DETAILS
ON A STORY THAT HAS BEEN
SHROUDED IN SECRECY.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT HE ALSO MADE
UNEXPECTED COMMENTS ABOUT THE
STATE OF PUBLIC DISCOURSE IN
THIS COUNTRY.
WE'LL GET POLITICAL ANALYSIS OF
ALL OF THIS WITH OUR "AT ISSUE"
PANEL A BIT LATER.
BUT WE BEGIN WITH DAVID
COCHRANE AND THE JAW-DROPPING
SESSION ON PARLIAMENT HILL.
>> Reporter: THE JUSTICE
COMMITTEE WANTS JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD TO SPEAK HER
TRUTH.
TODAY MICHAEL WERNICK SPOKE HIS.
>> THE "GLOBE & MAIL" ARTICLE
CONTAINS ERRORS, UNFOUNDED
SPECULATION, AND IN SOME CASES
IS SIMPLY DEFAMATORY.
>> Reporter: IN EXTRAORDINARY
TESTIMONY, THE CLERK OF THE
PRIVY COUNCIL OFFERED PUBLIC
COMMENT ON PRIVATE MEETINGS THAT
ARE PART OF A POLITICAL SCANDAL.
GIVING A BROAD DEFENCE OF THE
GOVERNMENT HE SERVES.
>> IN MY OBSERVATION, IN MY
EXPERIENCE, THEY HAVE ALWAYS,
ALWAYS CONDUCTED THEMSELVES TO
THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF
INTEGRITY.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE THEIR POLITICS
OR THEIR POLICIES OR THEIR
TWEETS BUT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
GUIDED BY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
>> Reporter: WERNICK ALSO
OFFERED SPECIFIC INSIGHTS INTO
KEY
MOMENTS OF THE SNC-LAVALIN
TIMELINE.
OF NOTE, HE CORROBORATED THE
PRIME MINISTER'S VERSION OF HIS
SEPTEMBER 17th MEETING WITH
WILSON-RAYBOULD DURING WHICH
TRUDEAU SAYS HE REASSURED HERE
THAT SHE WOULD MAKE THE FINAL
CALL ON SNC-LAVALIN.
>> HE INDICATED THAT IT WAS
>> HE INDICATED THAT IT WAS
ENTIRELY HER CALL TO MAKE, THAT
SHE WAS THE DECIDER.
AND THAT IS A MESSAGE -- THAT IS
THE MESSAGE THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER CONVEYED TO THE
MINISTER ON EVERY SITUATION THAT
I'M AWARE OF.
>> Reporter: WERNICK ALSO
RELEASED LETTERS FROM DECEMBER
SHOWING THE PRIME MINISTER
TURNING DOWN MEETINGS WITH
S.N.C.'S TOP BRASS, TELLING THEM
TO SPEAK TO WILSON-RAYBOULD.
>> AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY VERBALLY
AND IN WRITING IN DECEMBER, THE
PRIME MINISTER MADE IT CLEAR
THAT THIS WAS THE DECISION FOR
THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE TO TAKE.
>> Reporter: BUT THERE IS ALSO
A DECEMBER 19th PHONE CALL
WERNICK MADE TO WILSON-RAYBOULD.
A CALL THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED
AS PRESSURE.
A CALL IN WHICH WERNICK
MENTIONED SNC-LAVALIN
AND CONSEQUENCES.
>> I CONVEYED TO HER THAT A LOT
OF HER COLLEAGUES AND THE PRIME
MINISTER WERE QUITE ANXIOUS AND
WAS CONVEYING CONTEXT THAT THERE
WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORRIED
ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, THE
CONSEQUENCES, NOT FOR HER, BUT
THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE WORKERS
AND THE COMMUNITIES AND THE
SUPPLIERS.
>> Reporter: THE QUESTION IS
WHETHER THAT CALL WAS IMPROPER
PRESSURE, OR IF WILSON-RAYBOULD
COULD INTERPRET IT THAT WAY.
>> I THINK THAT THE MATTER MAY
COME DOWN TO THE ETHIC
COMMISSIONER'S VIEW ON A
CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE,
BETWEEN WHAT WAS SENT AND WHAT
WAS RECEIVED.
>> Reporter: THE ETHICS
COMMISSIONER IS CONDUCTING A
REVIEW BUT THE OPPOSITION HAS
ALREADY REACHED A VERDICT.
>> I THINK THAT THE TESTIMONY IS
STUNNING.
I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF
PRESSURE THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER'S OFFICE, EITHER
THROUGH HIS OWN OPERATIVES OR
THROUGH THE CLERKS OF PRIVY
COUNCIL, IS UNPRECEDENTED.
>> Rosemary: DAVID, THERE WERE
CERTAINLY NEW DETAILS OF WHAT
HAPPENED, AND MAYBE DETAILS FOR
THE FIRST TIME, BUT THERE ARE
STILL A
LOT OF GAPS IN ALL OF THIS?
>> Reporter: WE STILL HAVE
NOTHING FROM JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD, NO SPECIFICS
FROM HER.
THOUGH WE EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE
WHEN SHE TESTIFIES AT THIS
COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK.
WE EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN ON
TUESDAY.
WE'LL WANT HER VERSION OF THAT
SEPTEMBER 17th MEETING WITH
THE PRIME MINISTER, HER VERSION
OF THE DECEMBER 19th CALL WITH
THE CLERK AND HOW SHE PERCEIVED
BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS.
ROSIE, THERE'S ANOTHER KEY EVENT
HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
VERSION OF AND THAT'S THE
DECEMBER 5th MEETING AND
THAT'S BETWEEN
WILSON-RAYBOULD AND THE TOP
ADVISOR GERRY BUTTS AT THE
CHÂTEAU LAURIER HERE IN OTTAWA.
THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED AS A KEY
MOMENT IN THIS.
BUTTS IN HIS RESIGNATION
STATEMENT SAID HE HAS DONE
NOTHING WRONG.
WE WILL OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HEAR
WILSON-RAYBOULD'S VERSION WHAT
HAPPENED AT THAT MEETING.
ROSIE, IF YOU LISTENED TO
WILSON-RAYBOULD TODAY SHE SHOULD
BE EXPANSIVE ON WHAT SHE SAID
BECAUSE WERNICK SAYS
THAT SOLICITOR-CLIENT PRIVILEGE
DOES NOT APPLY AT ALL, SO IN HIS
VIEW WILSON-RAYBOULD SHOULD BE
FREE TO SPEAK HER TRUTH.
WE'LL FIND OUT NEXT WEEK.
>> Rosemary: ON IT GOES.
DAVID COCHRANE ON THIS STORY
AGAIN FOR US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> Rosemary: AT THE CENTRE OF
OF ALL OF THIS, AT LEAST TODAY
IS A MAN IN A NON-POLITICAL JOB.
MICHAELER WITH AMERICA IS THE
CLERK OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL AS WE
HAVE BEEN SAYING.
AND SOME HAVE CRITICIZED THE
NONPARTISAN TODAY OF HIS
OVERSTEPPING INTO HIS ROLE AND
BEING EVEN TOO PARTISAN.
BUT JUST WHAT IS HIS JOB?
AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO OUR
DEMOCRACY?
>> I OCCUPY A POSITION THAT HAS
EXISTED FOR ALMOST 800 YEARS --
THE KING'S COUNSELLORS AND
ADVISORS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE PRIVY
OATH IS, TO BE A TRUE AND
FAITHFUL ADVISOR TO HIS MAJESTY.
>> Rosemary: THE JOB OF THE
MOST POWERFUL BUREAUCRAT IS TO
SUPPORT ON POLICY AND GOVERNANCE
ISSUES, WORKING WITH 900 OTHER
CIVIL SERVANTS IN THE PRIVY
COUNCIL OFFICE, THE GOAL IS TO
GIVE ADVICE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE GOVERNMENT IS RUN PROPERLY.
THE NONPARTISAN NATURE OF THE
PUBLIC SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT
WERNICK SPOKE ABOUT WHEN HE
BECAME CLERK OF THE PRIVY
COUNCIL IN 2016.
>> OUR JOB IS TO DO THE VERY
BEST WE CAN TO DELIVER THE
AGENDA THAT THE GOVERNMENT AND
THE CANADIANS ELECT.
THAT'S THE NONPARTISAN SUPPORT.
EVERY GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE ABLE
TO COUNT ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE
TO STEP UP AND TO WORK REALLY
HARD TO DELIVER THE AGENDA THEY
PUT TO CANADIANS.
>> Rosemary: INDEED,
GOVERNMENTS OF ALL STRIPES HAVE
COUNTED ON WERNICK.
A VETERAN CIVIL SERVANT,
HE JOINED THE PUBLIC SERVICE IN
1981 WHEN HE WAS JUST 23.
BEFORE LANDING THE JOB, WERNICK
WAS DEPUTY MINISTER FOR
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS.
>> I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH
THREE ACTIVE PRIME MINISTERS,
FORMER ACTIVE MINISTERS AND A
DOZEN MINISTERS.
I HAVE SEEN CABINET MEETINGS OF
THE CHRETIEN CABINET AND THE
MULRONEY CABINET, AND THE MARTIN
CABINET AND THE HARPER CABINET
AND THE TRUDEAU CABINET.
>> Rosemary: MICHAEL WERNICK
ALSO SAID TODAY THAT HE'S DEEPLY
CONCERNED ABOUT CANADA'S
POLITICS AND WHERE THINGS ARE
HEADED, EVEN CALLING OUT SOME
CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS THAT HE
FOUND PARTICULARLY DISTASTEFUL
AT A PRO-PIPELINE RALLY ON
PARLIAMENT HILL THIS WEEK.
>> I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ROLLED
ALL THE WAY HERE AND I'M GOING
>> I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ROLLED
ALL THE WAY HERE AND I'M GOING
TO ASK YOU ONE MORE THING -- I
WANT YOU TO ROLL OVER EVERY
LIBERAL LEFT IN THE COUNCIL.
>> GET THEM OUT OF CANADA!
>> Rosemary: THAT'S
CONSERVATIVE SENATOR DAVID
TKACHUK.
HE WAS ADDRESSING A CONVOY OF
TRUCKERS THAT TRAVELLED TO
OTTAWA.
BUT COMMENTS LIKE HIS, WERNICK
SAYS, IS WHY HE'S LAMENTING THE
STATE OF POLITICAL DISCOURSE IN
THIS COUNTRY.
IT IS UNUSUAL FOR A CIVIL
SERVANT OF HIS STATURE TO SPEAK
SO CANDIDLY SO HERE'S MICHAEL
WERNICK'S OPENING STATEMENT "FOR
THE RECORD."
>> THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS
THAT
NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.
I WORRY ABOUT MY COUNTRY RIGHT
NOW.
I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
AND ITS POLITICS AND WHERE IT'S
HEADED.
I WORRY ABOUT FOREIGN
INTERFERENCE IN THE UPCOMING
ELECTION AND WE'RE WORKING HARD
ON THAT.
I WORRY ABOUT THE RISING TIDE OF
INCITEMENTS TO VIOLENCE WHEN
PEOPLE USE TERMS LIKE "TREASON"
AND "TRAITOR" IN OPEN DISCOURSE.
THOSE ARE THE WORDS THAT LEAD TO
ASSASSINATION.
I'M WORRIED THAT SOMEBODY IS
GOING TO BE SHOT THIS YEAR IN
THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
I THINK THAT IT'S TOTALLY
UNACCEPTABLE THAT A MEMBER OF
THE PARLIAMENT OF CANADA WOULD
INCITE PEOPLE TO DRIVE TRUCKS
OVER PEOPLE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED
IN TORONTO LAST SUMMER.
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU AS
PARLIAMENTARIANS ARE GOING TO
CONDEMN THAT.
I WORRY ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS OF
HONOURABLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SERVED THEIR COUNTRY BEING
BESMIRCHED AND DRAGGED THROUGH
THE MARKET SQUARE.
I WORRY ABOUT THE TROLLING OF
THE VOMITORIUM OF
SOCIAL MEDIA ENTERING THE OPEN
MEDIA ARENA.
MOST OF ALL I WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE
LOSING FAITH IN THE INSTITUTIONS
OF GOVERNANCE OF THIS COUNTRY
AND THAT'S WHY THESE PROCEEDINGS
ARE SO IMPORTANT.
>> Rosemary: THERE WERE LOTS
OF REACTION AND CRITICISM, EVEN,
OF THAT OPENING STATEMENT, IAN,
BUT IT WAS SURE INTERESTING TO
HEAR
FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.
AND, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A GOOD
NIGHT TO HAVE THE "AT ISSUE" ON
DECK, AND ANDREW AND CHANTAL AND
SHACHI KURL IS HERE.
THEY'LL TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING
THAT HAPPENED TODAY AND THIS
WEEK AND THAT'S IN ABOUT 20
MINUTES.
>> Ian: I CAN'T WAIT.
ROSEMARY, WE'LL MOVE TO ANOTHER
SCANDAL THAT HAS SO MANY PEOPLE
AROUND THE WORLD TALKING.
>> WHAT ABOUT AN APOLOGY FOR THE
CITY OF CHICAGO?
>> Ian: SO MUCH ATTENTION AS
JUSSIE SMOLLETT POSTED BAIL
TODAY
AND WALKED OUT OF A COURTHOUSE
IN CHICAGO AND RIGHT BACK ON THE
SET OF HIS TV SHOW "EMPIRE."
EARLIER TODAY THE PROSECUTORS
LAID OUT THE CASE AGAINST
SMOLLETT IN DETAIL.
IN ADDITION TO ORCHESTRATING THE
ATTACK ON HIMSELF, THEY SAY THAT
SMOLLETT SENT HIMSELF A
THREATENING LETTER BEFORE THE
ASSAULT THAT CONTAINED WHITE
POWDER THAT TURNED OUT TO BE
ASPIRIN.
ALSO IN A LEAD-UP TO THE ATTACK
PROSECUTORS SAY THAT HE TEXTED
ONE OF HIS
SUSPECTED ACCOMPLICES THE
FOLLOWING "MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP
ON THE LOW."
SMOLLETT'S HOMOPHOBIC
ASSAULT WAS MET WITH SYMPATHY
AND SUPPORT AND NOW AS ELLEN
MAURO REPORTS, THE REACTION IS
DISAPPOINTMENT AND ANGER.
>> Reporter: OFFENDED AND
ANGRY, THAT'S HOW CHICAGO'S TOP
COP DESCRIBED HIS FEELINGS
TODAY.
>> JUSSIE SMOLLETT TOOK
ADVANTAGE OF THE PAIN AND ANGER
OF RACISM TO PROMOTE HIS CAREER.
>> I WILL NEVER BE THE MAN THAT
THIS DID NOT HAPPEN TO.
>> Reporter: IN THIS TEARFUL
ACCOUNT OF THE ATTACK, SMOLLETT
DESCRIBED HIS ASSAILANTS AS
HOMOPHOBIC RACIST TRUMP
SUPPORTERS WHO SHOUTED "MAGA"
"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
>> THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE
PLACE THAT WE ARE IN THIS
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THESE
FEARMONGERS, THESE PEOPLE THAT
ARE TRYING TO SEPARATE US.
>> Reporter: BY INVOKING
AMERICA'S DEEP DIVIDE, SMOLLETT
TRIGGERED A CULTURAL MOMENT.
FIRST AN OUTPOURING OF SYMPATHY
FROM CELEBRITIES AND DEMOCRATS.
>> HE'S A LOVELY PERSON.
NO ONE DESERVES ANY OF THIS.
AND IT'S TERRIFYING.
>> VERY.
VERY.
>> Reporter: AND THEN BACKLASH
AS THE STORY STARTED TO UNRAVEL.
>> IT SOUNDED LIKE A FAKE STORY
FROM THE FIRST SECOND I HEARD
IT.
>> President Donald Trump:
THAT I CAN TELL YOU IS HORRIBLE.
>> Reporter: THAT WAS
PRESIDENT TRUMP LAST MONTH.
TODAY HE TAUNTED SMOLLETT
TWEETING "WHAT ABOUT MAGA AND
THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
THAT YOU INSULTED WITH YOUR
RACIST AND DANGEROUS COMMENTS?"
SMOLLETT'S INITIAL DEFEND ARES
ARE NOW
BACKING AWAY.
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL
KAMALA HARRIS AT FIRST DESCRIBED
SMOLLETT AS VICTIM OF AN "AN
ATTEMPTED MODERN-DAY LYNCHING."
TONIGHT HARRIS TWEETED THAT
SHE'S
"SAD AND FRUSTRATED AND
DISAPPOINTED."
SHE ALSO SUPPORTED SMOLLETT
ORIGINALLY.
>> NOW THAT WE'RE FINDING OUT
ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF IT IS
REALLY TERRIBLE BUT WE CAN'T
LOSE OUR HUMANITY.
>> AND I WANT A LITTLE GAY BOY
THAT
MAY WATCH THIS TO SEE THAT I
FOUGHT BACK.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT HE
SAID BUT POLICE SAY THAT
SMOLLETT'S LIES MIGHT MAKE IT
HARDER FOR REAL VICTIMS TO BE
BELIEVED.
* YOU SAY YOU FEEL INSECURE
>> Reporter: AND ALL OF THIS
FOR WHAT?
ACCORDING TO POLICE, MONEY.
SMOLLETT WAS SEEKING PUBLICITY
TO GET A HIGHER SALARY.
THE FALLOUT, EVEN
DEEPER FISSURES IN AN ALREADY
DIVIDED AMERICA.
ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Ian: THE PRODUCTION COMPANY
BEHIND SMOLLETT'S SHOW "EMPIRE"
HAS BEEN ONE OF HIS STRONGEST
SUPPORTERS.
EVEN YESTERDAY STANDING BY THE
ACTOR BUT TODAY THERE WAS A
CHANGE IN TONE.
TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX SAYS
IT'S EVALUATING THE SITUATION
AND CONSIDERING ITS OPTIONS.
>> Adrienne: WELL, FOR THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH IT MIGHT BE THE
MONSTER IN THE MIRROR BUT NOW
THE VATICAN SAYS THAT IT'S
TRYING TO STARE IT DOWN.
FOR DECADES THE CHURCH HAS
COVERED UP THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF
CHILDREN BY CLERGY.
TODAY AN ATTEMPT AT REDEMPTION.
>> [speaking foreign
language].
>> Adrienne: POPE FRANCIS
SUMMONED 200 CATHOLIC LEADERS
FROM AROUND THE WORLD FOR A
FOUR-DAY SUMMIT.
THE GOAL?
TO CREATE A GLOBAL PLAN TO
PREVENT ABUSE.
HE PRESENTED 21 PROPOSALS FOR
BISHOPS TO CONSIDER ON HOW TO
KEEP CHILDREN SAFE, AND
INVESTIGATE CLERGY, AND PUNISH
PREDATORS.
THE PROBLEM, AS THOMAS DAIGLE
EXPLAINS, IS THE DOORS WERE
CLOSED TO VICTIMS.
>> Reporter: AT THE VATICAN
TOURISTS ALWAYS ABOUND AND RICH
HISTORY IS IN PLAIN SIGHT.
NEVER BEFORE THOUGH HAS THE
HEART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
TACKLED SO OPENLY ITS SINISTER
SIDE.
THIS WEEK ATTRACTING A DIFFERENT
KIND OF VISITOR.
SURVIVORS OF CLERGY ABUSE NOW
FEELING EMBOLDENED AND SHOWING
UP THOUGH THEY WEREN'T INVITED.
>> WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESTROY THE
CHURCH, WE'RE HERE TO RE-WRITE
THE COURSE OF THE CHURCH.
>> Reporter: THE FIRST TIME
THAT LEONA HUGGINS CAME TO ROME
FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA SHE WAS
STILL ASHAMED OF THE SEXUAL
ASSAULT SHE HAD SUFFERED AT THE
HANDS OF A PRIEST.
>> I WAS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED,
TERRIFIED TO BE HERE.
EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT BRINGS
BACK THE EMOTION.
>> Reporter: IF ANYTHING, THIS
UNPRECEDENTED GLOBAL SUMMIT IS
HELPING SURVIVORS TO SHAPE THE
TABOO THEY LIVED WITH FOR TOO
LONG.
BUT WHAT ELSE WILL IT ACHIEVE?
>> [speaking foreign
language].
>> Reporter: THE POPE TOLD
BISHOPS "THE CHURCH NEEDS
CONCRETE MEASURES TO FIGHT
SEXUAL ABUSE."
THAT'S WHERE CANADA MIGHT COME
IN.
EVER SINCE THE INQUIRY THREE
DECADES AGO INTO THE NOTORIOUS
CASE OF NEWFOUNDLAND'S MOUNT
CASHEL ORPHANAGE, CANADIAN
CATHOLICS HAVE BEEN WORKING TO
PREVENT CLERGY ABUSE, YES, LONG
BEFORE IT BECAME A WORLDWIDE
CONCERN.
>> MOST OF THE CASES WE HAVE ARE
CASES FROM THE PAST.
BUT I'M NOT
SAYING THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT
IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
>> Reporter: NOW A STRATEGY
DEVELOPED FOR CANADIAN BISHOPS
IS BEING DISCUSSED AT THE
VATICAN AS A MODEL TO FOLLOW
ELSEWHERE.
IT'S A CLEAR SET OF PROTOCOLS TO
PUT VICTIMS FIRST, THOUGH
CRITICS SAY THAT THERE'S LITTLE
SIGN OF THAT.
>> SURVIVORS AREN'T A PART OF
THE DISCUSSION.
WE'RE LOBBYING OUTSIDE.
>> Reporter: GEMMA HICKEY JUST
GOT OFF THE PLANE FROM
ST. JOHN'S, NEWFOUNDLAND, EAGER
TO GAIN STRENGTH FROM MEETING
OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO SEXUALLY
ABUSED BY PRIESTS.
HICKEY IS EVEN HOPING THAT A
PERSONAL LETTER TO THE POPE WILL
LEAD TO AN AUDIENCE WITH HIM.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CHURCH
IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD BY
KEEPING THE DOORS CLOSED AND BY
KEEPING US OUT OF THE DISCUSSION
AND WE'RE THE ONES AFFECTED BY
IT.
>> Reporter: FOR NOW SURVIVORS
ARE LEANING ON EACH OTHER.
GAINING THE VOICES THAT WENT
SILENT FOR YEARS, GETTING THE
SUPPORT THEY SAY THAT NEVER CAME
FROM THE CHURCH.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, ROME.
>> Adrienne: THIS SUBJECT
GENERATES SOME POWERFUL
EMOTIONS.
THIS MORNING IN POLAND, HOURS
BEFORE THE SUMMIT OPENED, THREE
MEN QUIETLY TOPPLED A STATUE OF
A PRIEST HONOURED FOR HIS
ANTI-COMMUNIST ACTIVISM.
HE DIED IN 2010 AND HAS SINCE
BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING A
PREDATOR.
THE VANDALS PLACED CHILDREN'S
UNDERWEAR AND AN ALTAR BOY'S
GARMENT ON THE STATUE TO
SYMBOLIZE THE SUFFERING OF
CHILDREN.
NOW CARDINAL MARC OUELLET SPOKE
YESTERDAY WITH CBC NEWS AND
HERE'S A BIT MORE WHAT HE HAD TO
SAY ABOUT THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF
CHILDREN BY PRIESTS...
>> WE WERE NOT AWARE 25 YEARS
AGO OF THE DEPTH OF THE PAIN AND
THE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE ABUSES
ON CHILDREN.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE THOUGHT, YOU
KNOW, THAT SOME 25 YEARS AGO
THAT WITH SOME CORRECTION IT WAS
POSSIBLE TO RETURN TO MINISTRY.
IN FACT, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT IT
IS MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN WE
EXPECTED.
AND SO NOW WHEN IT IS SUBMITTED
AND SO NOW WHEN IT IS SUBMITTED
AND SOMEBODY IS CONVICTED, HE IS
EXPELLED FROM THE MINISTRY, YOU
KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A REAL CASE
OF A PEDOPHILE.
>> Adrienne: IN RECENT MONTHS
ABOUT HALF OF THE U.S. CATHOLIC
DIOCESES HAVE TALLIED UP LISTS
OF
CREDIBLE ACCUSATIONS OF ABUSE
AGAINST PRIESTS AND OTHERS IN
THE CHURCH.
THE TOTAL EXCEEDS OVER 2,600
ACCUSED
PREDATORS OVER THE DECADES.
THAT'S NOT VICTIMS, THAT'S
ABUSERS.
THE CHURCH IN CANADA HADN'T
RELEASED NUMBERS BUT A BLOG
CALLED "SYLVIA'S SITE" LOOKS
THROUGH NEWS REPORTS AND COURT
RECORDS AND IT LISTS 373
CANADIAN CLERGY.
>> Ian: HERE'S SOME OTHER
STORIES THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING
TONIGHT...
>>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND
THE FIRST NATION LEADERS HAVE
SIGNED AN INTERIM DEAL TO FIX
DOZENS OF HOMES IN THE REMOTE
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY OF CAT LAKE
IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
>> RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
DETERMINING WHICH ONES THAT WE
DEMOLISH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
AND TO BUILD NEW ONES IN ITS
PLACE AND WHICH ONES WE CAN
RENOVATE AND REPAIR.
AND THAT NOW BEGINS FULL
THROTTLE.
>> Ian: LAST MONTH THE COMMUNITY
DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY
OVER DANGEROUSLY INADEQUATE
HOUSING THAT WAS LEADING TO
HEALTH ISSUES.
EARLIER THIS WEEK A WOMAN FROM
THE COMMUNITY DIED AND HER
FAMILY SAID THAT MOLD
INFESTATION WAS A CONTRIBUTING
FACTOR.
>>> OTTAWA IS LOOKING TO HELP
THAT HALIFAX MOTHER WHO LOST ALL
SEVEN OF HER CHILDREN IN A HOUSE
FIRE.
THE IMMIGRATION MINISTER MAY
SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO MOVE
KAWTHAR BARHO'S BROTHER AND
MOTHER TO CANADA FROM LEBANON.
A LOCAL M.P. IS HELPING TO PUT
TOGETHER THEIR APPLICATION.
HE MET WITH BARHO TODAY AT THE
HOSPITAL WHERE HER HUSBAND
REMAINS IN A MEDICALLY INDUCED
COMA.
>> THAT'S HER ONLY CLOSE FAMILY
SUPPORT IN CANADA RIGHT NOW, AND
SO SHE NEEDS PEOPLE HERE QUICKLY
TO BE AROUND HER.
>> Ian: THE PRIME MINISTER WAS
IN HALIFAX TODAY AND SAID THAT
WHILE THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS
BASED ON RULES AND PROCEDURES
THAT IT IS ALSO COMPASSIONATE.
>>> STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," MORE ON THE
NATIONWIDE EFFORTS TO SHOW
SUPPORT FOR THE BARHO FAMILY.
HOW ANOTHER SYRIAN REFUGEE IS
STEPPING UP.
>> Rosemary: PLUS TODAY'S
JUSTICE COMMITTEE MEETING
SURPRISED THE
"AT ISSUE" GANG.
STICK AROUND FOR THEIR TAKE.
>> Adrienne: AND A STARTLING
"MARKETPLACE" INVESTIGATION
ABOUT A SCAM DESIGNED TO GET AND
TO USE YOUR INFORMATION.
>> Reporter: THAT'S YOUR
S.I.M. NUMBER.
>> UM-HUM.
>> THAT'S YOUR CREDIT CARD
NUMBER?
>> YOU COULD KEEP USING THIS
INFORMATION AND RE-SELLING THIS
INFORMATION ONLINE.
>> Adrienne: HOW IT WORKS
STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF A
FORMER SCAMMER NEXT.
>> Adrienne: IF YOU GET A
PHONE CALL FROM SOMEONE OFFERING
TO HELP TO CUT YOUR CREDIT CARD
INTEREST RATE FOR A FEE, HEADS
UP, BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A
SERIOUS SCAM.
CANADA'S ANTI-FRAUD UNIT SAYS
THAT IT RECEIVES ABOUT 300 OF
THESE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS EVERY
YEAR.
BUT THE LATEST "MARKETPLACE"
INVESTIGATION FOUND THAT THERE
COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN A FEW
HUNDRED VICTIMS OF THIS SCAM OUT
THERE.
THEY HAVE OBTAINED A LEAKED LIST
FROM ONE CALL CENTRE THAT SHOWS
THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF
CANADIAN VICTIMS AND AS MAKDA
GHEBRESLASSIE EXPLAINS, THE
DAMAGE CAN BE
DIFFICULT TO STOP.
>> HI,...
>> Reporter: WE'RE GOING DOOR
TO DOOR, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW
THAT THEY'RE THE VICTIMS OF
IDENTITY THEFT.
THEY'RE ON A LIST USED BY
CRIMINALS.
THAT'S YOUR S.I.M. NUMBER?
>> UM-HMM.
>> Reporter: THAT'S YOUR
CREDIT CARD NUMBER.
THE LIST LEAKED TO "MARKETPLACE"
CONTAINS CLOSE TO 3,000 NAMES,
VICTIMS OF A LOW INTEREST SCAM.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CALL CENTRES
IN PAKISTAN WHERE IT TAKES
PLACE.
THIS IS HOW IT GOES...
>> THIS IS THE VERIFICATIONS
DEPARTMENT...
>> Reporter: IT SOUNDS LIKE
THEY'RE CALLING FROM A CREDIT
CARD COMPANY.
THERE'S AN OFFER TO REDUCE YOUR
INTEREST RATE FOR A FEE BUT IT'S
A SCAM.
AND IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN THAT
ONE-TIME PAYOUT.
IT'S ABOUT PHISHING FOR
PROFITABLE INFORMATION.
>> AND THE EXPIRATION DATE?
>> Reporter: IN WINNIPEG GRACE
JOHNSTON KNOWS FIRSTHAND WHAT
HAPPENS AFTER THE PHONE CALL.
>> THE ROYAL BANK SENT ME A
LETTER SAYING COME PICK UP YOUR
CREDIT CARD AND I HADN'T APPLIED
FOR ONE.
>> Reporter: SHE SAYS SHE
ALERTED HER BANK.
SHE GOT A NEW CREDIT CARD AND
THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BEHIND HER.
BUT SHE'S ON OUR LIST TOO.
>> MY CREDIT INFORMATION IS OUT
THERE AND IT KEEPS COMING BACK
TO
HAUNT ME.
>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO A
FORMER FRAUDSTER, IT COULD KEEP
ON HAPPENING.
>> YOU COULD ACTUALLY KEEP ON
USING THIS INFORMATION,
RE-SELLING THIS INFORMATION
ONLINE.
>> Reporter: MUHAMMAD YUFSI
USED TO RUN A LOW-INTEREST SCAM
OUT OF A CALL
CENTRE IN PAKISTAN.
HE SAYS THAT THE INFORMATION
THAT HE GATHERED --
>> CAN BE USED TO REFINANCE
THEIR HOUSES AND THEIR MORTGAGES
AND THEIR CARS.
CLEAN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS.
>> Reporter: HOW CAN VICTIMS
FIGHT BACK?
HERE IN CANADA EQUI FAX AND
TRANSUNION, THE TWO CREDIT
REPORTING BUREAUS, OFFER SOME
PROTECTION.
BUT YUFSI SAYS THAT ONE OF THE
BEST PROTECTION SAYS NOT OFFERED
HERE, IT'S A CREDIT FREEZE.
IT GIVES THE CONSUMER THE POWER
TO LOCKDOWN A CREDIT FILE WITH
THE BUREAUSES, SO FRAUDSTERS
CAN'T
OPEN UP NEW ACCOUNTS.
>> AND IT WOULD BE A HUGE, A
HUGE BLOW TO THE LOW INTEREST
RATE CREDIT CARD SCAMMERS.
>> Reporter: CREDIT FREEZES
ARE OFFERED IN THE U.S. FOR
FREE.
BUT NOT IN CANADA.
FOR VICTIMS LIKE GRACE IT
DOESN'T ADD UP.
>> IF THEY CAN DO IT IN THE
STATES, WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT IN
CANADA?
>> Reporter: ONTARIO WAS
WORKING ON IT.
THERE WAS LEGISLATION TO REQUIRE
THE CREDIT BUREAUS TO OFFER
CREDIT FREEZES BUT ONCE THE NEW
GOVERNMENT CAME IN IT STALLED.
WE ASKED THE MINISTER IN CHARGE
OF CONSUMER PROTECTIONS WHAT'S
THE HOLD-UP.
HE SAYS THAT HIS OFFICE IS
EXPLORING THE TOPIC AND LOOKING
INTO OPTIONS ON HOW TO
STRENGTHEN CONSUMER PROTECTION.
MAKDA GHEBRESLASSIE, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: SO THAT'S JUST A
GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE TEAM AT
"MARKETPLACE" UNCOVERED AND YOU
CAN WATCH THE FULL INVESTIGATION
TOMORROW NIGHT ON CBC TELEVISION
AT 8:00 p.m., 8:30 IN
NEWFOUNDLAND.
>> Ian: STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL" IT MAY SOUND LIKE A
SPINOFF OF "THE JETTISONS" BUT
SERVICE JOB ROBOTS ARE
APPARENTLY HERE TO STAY.
WE'LL SHOW YOU WHO THEY'RE
DISPLACING.
>> Rosemary: HOPEFULLY NOT TV
NEWS ANCHORS.
>> THANK GOODNESS FOR THESE
GUYS, "AT ISSUE" IS NEXT.
(*)
(*)
>> 3, 2, 1... ZERO.
IGNITION.
>> Ian: WELCOME BACK, WE'RE
WATCHING AN HISTORIC MOMENT
UNFOLD WITH THIS LAUNCH, ISRAEL
IS ON ITS WAY TO LAND ITS FIRST
SPACE PROBE ON THE MOON.
THIS WAS THE SCENE IN FLORIDA
EARLIER TONIGHT AS THE SPACEX
FALCON 9 ROCKET BLASTED OFF.
IT'S CARRYING AN ISRAELI LUNAR
LANDER THAT IS EXPECTED TO LAND
ON THE MOON IN APRIL.
>>> THERE'S ANOTHER SHAKEUP IN
THE WORLD OF RETAIL.
HUDSONS BAY COMPANY SAYS THEY'RE
SHUTTING DOWN HOME OUTFITTERS IN
CANADA.
THE COMPANY ANNOUNCED TODAY ALL
37 STORES WILL CLOSE BY THE END
OF THE YEAR.
>>> A POSSIBLE CLASS-ACTION SUIT
AGAINST WESTJET BY SOME
EMPLOYEES IS A STEP CLOSER.
THE B.C. COURT OF APPEAL TODAY
UPHELD A PREVIOUS DECISION THAT
REFUSED TO THROW OUT A PROPOSED
LAWSUIT.
FORMER FLIGHT ATTENDANT
MANDALANA LEWIS IS SUING OVER
GENDER-BASED DISCRIMINATION.
SHE SAID THAT THE AIRLINE BROKE
A PROMISE TO PROVIDE A
HARASSMENT-FREE WORKPLACE FOR
WOMEN.
LEWIS IS HOPING THAT THE
CLASS-ACTION WILL BE CERTIFIED
WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.
(*)
>> SHOULD CANADIANS BE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW IN THIS
COUNTRY?
NO.
THE "GLOBE & MAIL" ARTICLE
CONTAINS ERRORS, UNFOUND THE
SPECULATION, AND IN SOME CASES
IT'S SIMPLY DEFAMATORY.
THERE WAS NO INAPPROPRIATE
PRESSURE PUT ON THE MINISTER AT
ANY TIME.
I AM QUITE SURE THAT THE
MINISTER FELT PRESSURED TO GET
IT RIGHT.
PART OF MY CONVERSATION WITH HER
ON DECEMBER 19th WAS CONVEYING
CONTEXT THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF
PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN.
>> Rosemary: CANADA'S TOP
CIVIL SERVANT IS SHARING SOME
STRONG WORDS WITH THE JUSTICE
COMMITTEE TODAY.
MICHAEL WERNICK, THE CLERK OF
THE PRIVY COUNCIL, SAYS THAT
THERE WAS NO UNLAWFUL OR
INAPPROPRIATE PRESSURE PLACED ON
JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD.
SO WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF HIS
TESTIMONY?
ARE WE ANY CLOSER, FOR INSTANCE,
TO UNDERSTANDING ACTUALLY WHAT
HAPPENED?
"AT ISSUE" IS BACK FOR THE
SECOND TIME THIS WEEK.
CHANTAL HEBERT IS RETURNING AND
SHE'S IN MONTRÉAL.
ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO.
AND SHACHI KURL IS JOINING US
FROM VANCOUVER TONIGHT.
GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.
WE ALMOST DID A THIRD "AT ISSUE"
THIS WEEK, I MUST ADMIT, BUT I
THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT NEED A
BREAK.
SO WHAT -- I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY
EXTRAORDINARY TO HEAR THE CLERK
OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL GIVE THIS,
YOU KNOW, VERY ADAMANT TESTIMONY
ABOUT HOW THINGS UNFOLDED.
CERTAINLY ADDED A LOT OF DETAILS
TO THE THINGS THAT WE HAD
HEARD.
LET ME GET YOUR FIRST
IMPRESSIONS, IF I CAN.
AND
I'LL START WITH YOU, CHANTAL, ON
WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU IN
TERMS OF WHAT WERNICK SAID.
>> WELL, TO START OFF WITH --
MAYBE WITH NOT MAYBE THE MOST
IMPORTANT -- THE JUSTICE
COMMITTEE DID NOT TURN INTO A
PARTISAN CIRCUS AND ALLOWED
PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT.
WHAT WAS NEW WAS THAT FOR ONCE
SOMEONE WITH HIS FACE ON WITH
WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS SPEAKING
IN COMPLETE
SENTENCES AND ANSWERING
QUESTIONS.
SO THAT'S NEW.
IT'S NOT SOMEONE WHISPERING OR
SOMEONE THROWING A LINE IN A
SCRUM.
I THINK THAT WHAT I TOOK FROM
IT, THE FIRST THING IS THAT
THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE
TO JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD IN THAT
ADVENTURE -- THE PRIME MINISTER
AND GERRY BUTTS AND THE CLERK.
AND ALL THREE YOU CAN EXPECT NOW
ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
THEY ALL FELT THAT THEY WERE NOT
CROSSING ANY LINES IN WHAT THEY
WERE DOING AND, YES, THEY DID
SPEAK WITH HER.
THAT IS ALSO CLEAR FROM
TESTIMONY.
AND WHAT I TOOK -- WHAT MAKES
MR. WERNICK DIFFERENT FROM THE
OTHER TWO IS THAT NO LONGER CAN
YOU SAY SOMETHING POLITICAL
OPERATOR GONE ROGUE ON THE
ORDERS OF THE PRIME MINISTER
CROSSED THE LINE BECAUSE THE
CLERK OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL'S JOB
IS TO TELL THE PRIME MINISTER
AND GERRY BUTTS WHERE THE LINES
ARE.
>> Rosemary: YES, YES.
>> SO IF YOU FEEL THAT THE PRIME
MINISTER AND GERRY BUTTS CROSSED
A LINE, THEN THE TOP CIVIL
SERVANT, BACKED WITH THE ADVICE
OF THE CIVIL SERVICE, ALSO
CROSSED THAT LINE.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, SO IN TERMS
OF HIS -- THE COUNSEL THAT HE
WAS GIVING, ANDREW, BECAUSE
THAT'S PRIMARILY HIS JOB -- NOT
ONLY TO SORT OF MAKE THAT SURE
THAT THEY'RE GOVERNING PROPERLY
BUT ALSO TO GIVE ADVICE IN ORDER
IN ORDER TO HELP THEM TO
IMPLEMENT THEIR AGENDA POLICY.
DO YOU VIEW THAT AS SOMETHING
THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE
OR SOMETHING THAT JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD COULD HAVE
INTERPRETED AS PRESSURE?
>> HE'S MOVING THE LINE.
INITIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
WHETHER ANYBODY WAS DIRECTED OR
NOT AND THE PRIME MINISTER --
THAT WAS HIS LINE.
AND THEN BEHIND THE SCENES
PEOPLE IN THE PRIME MINISTER'S
OFFICE UNNAMED WOULD SAY THAT WE
DIDN'T PUT ANY PRESSURE ON HER.
HE WOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT HE
SAID IT -- WE DIDN'T PUT ANY
PRESSURE ON HER.
NOW WE HEAR THAT WE DIDN'T PUT
INAPPROPRIATE PRESSURE ON HER.
SO WE'RE MOVING CLOSER AND
CLOSER IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MAYBE
WE PRESSURED HER BUT WE WERE
OKAY IN DOING SO BECAUSE WE HAD
THESE IMPORTANT OBJECTIVES THAT
WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE.
SO WE'RE MOVING THE LINE FROM
WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY UNIMAGINABLE
AND QUITE IMPROPER TO MAYBE IT'S
A GREY AREA AND MAYBE NOT SO
IMPROPER.
I ALWAYS FOUND A LOT OF HIS
TESTIMONY STRANGE.
THAT STATEMENT OFF THE TOP WHEN
HE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WILL GET
SHOT IN CAMPAIGNS AND A BUNCH OF
STUFF THAT WAS NOT GERMANE TO
THIS ISSUE WHATSOEVER, AND SOME
OF THE COMMENTARY, FRANKLY,
SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS CHEERLEADING
FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
SO IT WAS AN ODD DAY AND AN ODD
PERFORMANCE ALL AROUND BUT,
LOOK, HE'S ALSO ONE OF THE
PEOPLE THAT JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD
IT SEEMS IS GOING TO SUGGEST
THAT INAPPROPRIATELY PRESSURED
HER.
SO, YEAH, HE CLEARLY WAS
CONTRADICTING THAT.
>> Rosemary: WHAT DID YOU TAKE
FROM IT, SHACHI?
>> WELL, IT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, THE
IDEA OF A CLERK -- A CLERK OF
THE PRIVY COUNCIL -- THIS IS
SUPPOSED TO BE THIS IN THE
BACKGROUND AND HAVING DIFFICULT
AND MAYBE TESTY OR FOUR-LETTER
WORD CONVERSATIONS IN THE
BACKGROUND.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO COME OUT IN
PUBLIC.
AND SO TO HEAR MR. WERNICK
SWINGING FOR THE FENCES TODAY
REALLY DID CATCH MY EYE.
THE OTHER PIECE OF IT THOUGH IS
THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT HE
WAS SAYING, A LOT OF WHAT
MR. LAMETTI WAS TALKING ABOUT --
IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT IT SORT OF
IN A VACUUM, YES, IT COULD BE
SEEN AS VERY REASONABLE.
WE DIDN'T MEAN TO PRESSURE, THE
INTENT WASN'T TO PRESSURE, WE
CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD TOOK AWAY FROM
THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THE INTENT WASN'T THERE.
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T
EXPLAIN WHY SHE WAS DROPPED FROM
CABINET.
SO THAT -- THAT IS THE PIECE
THAT STICKS WITH ME AND THE
CIRCLE THAT DOESN'T SQUARE.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT A LOT
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS
FROM OUTSIDE OF THE BELTWAY ARE
TAKING AWAY, WHICH IS, OKAY, ALL
OF THE RECASTING OF THE TONE AND
THE TENOR OF THESE THREE
CONVERSATIONS MAY GO SOME WAY TO
APPEAR TO SMOOTH THINGS OVER
BUT, OF COURSE, AT THE END OF
THE DAY THIS IS VERY MUCH ABOUT
THE APPEARANCE OF A RAW EXERCISE
OF POWER.
YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT WE WANTED,
JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD, YOU'RE
OUT.
>>> Rosemary: AND THEY HAVE A
GOOD EXPLANATION -- CHANTAL AND
THEN ANDREW.
CHANTAL AND THEN ANDREW.
>> BUT IT ALSO OPENS UP A
QUESTION THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE
HAD FOR -- SINCE THE BEGINNING.
AND I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS
ON PRINCIPLE LEFT A JOB TO
RESIST PRESSURE TO ONE'S
INDEPENDENCE WOULD UNDERSTAND
WHY THAT QUESTION WOULD BE
THERE.
IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE UNDULY
PRESSURED, WHY WOULD YOU NOT
RESIGN?
AND IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE
CONFIRMED IN YOUR SUSPICION, IF
IT'S ONLY A SUSPICION, BY BEING
OFFERED A DEMOTION, WHY WOULD
YOU NOT RESIGN?
WHY WOULD YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT
IT AND QUESTION IF THE "GLOBE &
MAIL" HADN'T COME OUT WITH A
STORY BASED ON ANONYMOUS
SOURCES, WOULD MISS
WILSON-RAYBOULD STILL BE A
MINISTER OF VETERANS' AFFAIRS?
>> Rosemary: YEAH, ANDREW?
>> THOSE ARE CERTAINLY QUESTIONS
WORTH ANSWERING.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WHY --
YOU COULD UNDERSTAND IF THERE
WAS MAYBE A MISINTERPRETATION
, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAD DIFFERENT
IDEAS
OF WHAT WAS INTENDED.
MAYBE SHE GAVE THAT MISTAKEN
IMPRESSION AT THE TIME, BUT WHY
HE WOULD SHE HAVE THAT
IMPRESSION TODAY AND HAVE THAT
IMPRESSION SO STRONGLY IT
APPEARS THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO
RESIGN FROM CABINET OVER IT?
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO ADD
UP.
ONCE YOU EXPLAINED TO HER,
LISTEN, MISS WILSON-RAYBOULD,
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE INTENDED AT
ALL -- IF SHE'S NOT TAKING THAT
AS SINCERE, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH
FINDING OUT WHY.
>> Rosemary: AND IT DOES SEEM
LIKE SHE HAD TO BE REASSURED ON
THAT POINT MULTIPLE TIMES BY THE
PRIME MINISTER AND THE CLERK AND
OTHERS THAT THE DECISION WAS
HERS.
AND SO TO YOUR POINT, WHY -- WHY
REASSURE?
YEAH.
>> AND AT THE END OF THE DAY SHE
DID TAKE THE DECISION AND THEN
FEELS CERTAINLY, I GUESS THAT
SHE TOOK A HIT FOR IT.
>> BUT SHE HAD WEEKS OF MEETINGS
IN WHICH PEOPLE WERE LAYING ON,
QUOTE/UNQUOTE, APPROPRIATE
PRESSURE ON HER.
AND THERE'S REAL QUESTIONS
AS TO WHETHER ANY OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS SHOULD HAVE REALLY
HAVE HAPPENED.
PEOPLE KEEP INVOKING THE
QUOTE/UNQUOTE SHAW CROSS
DOCTRINE WHICH IS THAT THE
ATTORNEY
GENERAL CAN GO AND SOLICIT
ADVICE FROM HER CABINET
COLLEAGUES.
THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THING
THAN THE PRIME MINISTER CALLING
HER IN OR SENDING GERRY BUTTS TO
MEET HER OR SENDING MICHAEL
WERNICK TO MEET HER.
THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT TYPES
OF SITUATIONS.
>> Rosemary: EXCEPT -- EXCEPT
WE ALSO FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THE
MEETINGS, THE
PRIME MINISTER MEETING AND THE
CLERK MEETING WERE ACTUALLY
ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES WHERE
THERE WAS ALREADY A PROBLEM
BETWEEN --
>> MY POINT IS UNSOLICITED
ADVICE --
>> Rosemary: FINE, FINE.
>> -- IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING
THAN SOLICITED ADVICE.
>> Rosemary: I WANT TO PLAY
THE CLIP OF JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD, AND LEFT ME
WITH QUESTIONS AGAIN YESTERDAY
ABOUT WHERE WE ARE SO HERE'S
WHAT SHE SAID YESTERDAY IN THE
HOUSE...
>> I UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT
CANADIANS WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
AND WANT TRANSPARENCY.
PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY
ARE NOT MINE TO WAIVE AND I HOPE
THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK MY TRUTH.
>> Rosemary: I MEAN, THAT WENT
OFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WAS
STUNNED BY THAT.
WHAT DO WE TAKE FROM THAT?
I'LL START WITH YOU, SHACHI, AND
THEN GO TO EVERYBODY.
>> WELL, IT SAYS TO ME -- AND I
THINK THAT CANADIANS TAKE FROM
IT -- WE HAVE SEEN FROM TWO OUT
OF THREE POLLS RELEASED THIS
WEEK THAT THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY
SATISFIED WITH WHATEVER
EXPLANATIONS THAT ARE BEING
PROFERRED.
OR THERE'S MORE TO COME OR A
SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE
YET.
SO THERE'S LIKE A STINK FACTOR
AND THEN THE STICK FACTOR.
THE STINK FACTOR IS WHAT THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, DESPITE SORT
OF USING ALL OF THE AIR
FRESHENER IN THE CAN THIS WEEK,
HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE GO
AWAY.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW LONG
DOES THIS LAST?
WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST THREE
DAYS A STEADY DRIP-DRIP-DRIP OF
EVERYTHING IS FINE, OH,
BOMBSHELL.
EVERYTHING IS OKAY, NEW
INFORMATION, NEW ALLEGATIONS,
NEW THINGS COMING OUT.
SO CLEARLY JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD
HAS A TRUTH TO TELL.
THAT TRUTH DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT
BODES WELL OR AUGERS WELL FOR
THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE
AT THE END OF THE DAY SHE STILL
APPEARS TO BE AT ODDS WITH
WHATEVER HAPPENED.
WHETHER IT WAS LEGAL OR OVER A
LINE OR UNDER A LINE.
AND, AGAIN, I TAKE 10 STEPS BACK
AND I SAY, WELL, OKAY, WHAT DO
PEOPLE -- WHAT DO VOTERS IN AN
ELECTION YEAR TAKE AWAY FROM
THIS AND THEY TAKE AWAY FROM THE
FACT THAT, LOOK, THIS IS A
GOVERNMENT THAT CAMPAIGNED ON
BEING CLEAN AND DOING GOVERNMENT
DIFFERENTLY AND MORE
RESPECTFULLY AND MORE
TRANSPARENTLY.
AND THEY CAN'T -- THEY CAN'T SEE
-- THEY DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT
NOW.
IT'S NOT ON THE GROUND.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL?
>> WELL, VOTERS -- THE
EXPRESSION I THINK TODAY IS
CLEARER THAN IT WAS EVEN
YESTERDAY.
VOTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN THE WORD OF THE
PRIME MINISTER AND THE CLERK OF
THE PRIVY COUNCIL AND GERRY
BUTTS VERSUS HER VERSION.
HER VERSION IS NOT GOING TO
MATCH THEIRS.
AND THEIRS ARE GOING TO BE
SIMILAR.
AND VOTERS WILL HAVE TO JUDGE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE TEST OF
TRUTH IS THAT SHE SAYS THE SAME
THING AS THEY DO OR THEY SAY AS
SHE DOES.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS THAT
CLEAR.
I THINK THAT BY NOW SHE'S WELL
AWARE THAT HER PERCEPTION IS NOT
GOING TO BE CONFIRMED BY ANY OF
THE OTHER PLAYERS IN THOSE
EXCHANGES.
>> Rosemary: OR EVEN WORSE,
ANDREW, SHE GOES IN NEXT WEEK
AND SHE TELLS PRETTY MUCH THE
SAME
VERSION OF EVENTS BUT IT'S
THROUGH HER LENS WHERE SHE FEELS
THAT SHE'S BEEN PRESSURED.
THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU
FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED IF
IT'S A VERY SIMILAR VERSION.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST ONE PERSON'S
VIEW OF IT, IS IT NOT?
>> ESPECIALLY TO POINT OUT WITH
THAT WHEN SHE CAME OUT OF THAT
CABINET MEETING, WE HAVE LEARNED
THAT THEY MADE HER WAIT FOR TWO
HOURS BEFORE THEY ALLOWED HER
IN.
WHEN SHE WAS IN THERE SHE DID
TELL THEM THAT SHE FELT THAT SHE
HAD BEEN INAPPROPRIATELY
PRESSURED
AND THEN THE CABINET HAVING
HEARD THAT TROTTED OUT AND VOTED
AGAINST HAVING A PUBLIC INQUIRY
INTO THIS.
SO THAT IMPLICATES A LOT MORE
THAN JUST GERRY BUTTS AND THE
PRIME MINISTER.
WE NOW HAVE CABINET MINISTERS
WHO KNOW WHAT SHE KNOWS OR WHAT
SHE'S TOLD THEM SHE KNOWS AND
HAVE ACTED AS THEY HAVE ACTED.
I DO THINK THAT EVEN, FRANKLY,
IF IT'S ON MICHAEL
WERNICK'S ACCOUNT, WHEN YOU WORK
THROUGH WHAT THEY WERE ASKING
HER TO DO -- SO WAS SHE GOING TO
GO AND DIRECT -- THE DIRECTOR OF
PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS TO DROP THE
CHARGES AGAINST SNC-LAVALIN ON
GROUNDS OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT
IT WOULD DO?
THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED
UNDER THE LAW.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS TO
THINK THAT SNC-LAVALIN WAS
ACTUALLY NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THAT
AND THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS TO
THINK THAT SNC-LAVALIN WAS
ACTUALLY NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THAT
SPECIAL TREATMENT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE
KIND OF WORK THROUGH EXACTLY HOW
MANY STEPS WOULD HAVE TO FALL
INTO PLACE FOR THIS SIMPLE ACT,
SUPPOSEDLY OF ASKING THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INTERVENE,
WHETHER ACTUALLY TO TRANSLATE
INTO
ANYTHING THAT SNC-LAVALIN OR THE
GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WANTED TO
HAPPEN HERE.
I DON'T THINK THEY FULLY THOUGHT
THIS THROUGH, FRANKLY.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL?
>> JUST ONE MORE NOTE.
I AM NOT CONCLUDING THAT PEOPLE
VOTE AGAINST THE PUBLIC INQUIRY
OR THAT THE DEBATE OVER WHETHER
A PUBLIC INQUIRY IS, ONE,
NECESSARY, AND, B, THE
APPROPRIATE VEHICLE, BASED ON
WHAT THEY HEARD FROM JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD AT THE CABINET
MEETING.
THERE ARE A HOST OF REASONS TO
THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE
SETTING UP PUBLIC INQUIRIES.
>> Rosemary: I'VE GOT TO GO
AND I'M GATHERING THAT WE'LL
TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE, SO
FEAR NOT BEFORE WE GO THOUGH,
SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE" THE
PODCAST FOR EXTRA CONTENT.
THIS WEEK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
OTHER STORY THAT ROLLED THROUGH
OTTAWA THIS WEEK AND PROBABLY
DIDN'T GET THE ATTENTION THAT IT
WOULD HAVE NORMALLY, BUT THE
CONVOY.
SO LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND
ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR
WEBSITE
CBCNEWS.CA/THENATIONAL.
>> Adrienne: DON'T GET ANY
BRIGHT IDEAS, ROSIE, I COULD
LISTEN TO THEM ALL DAY THOUGH.
>>> COMING UP AFTER THE BREAK,
KIM BRUNHUBER EXPLORES THE ROBOT
REVOLUTION AS THEY JUMP FROM THE
ASSEMBLY LINE TO THE COFFEE
LINE.
>> IT HAS LIKE SEVERAL DIFFERENT
DANCE ROUTINES.
>> Reporter: IS THIS THE
FUTURE?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY
OBVIOUS THAT IT IS, YEAH.
>> Ian: THE ROBOT APOCALYPSE IS
A STAPLE OF SCIENCE FICTION,
BUT IN REAL LIFE THE RISE OF
MACHINES IS NOT ABOUT THE END OF
THE WORLD, IT'S ABOUT THE ENDS
OF SOME TYPES
OF WORK AS WE KNOW IT.
ROBOTS ARE GETTING SMARTER AND
THE CONSEQUENCES ARE HARD TO
PREDICT, WHO LOSES THEIR JOBS
AND WHICH INDUSTRIES ARE
VULNERABLE WHEN EMPLOYERS GO
DROID.
KIM BRUNHUBER SHOWS US AND THE
ANSWER MAY SURPRISE YOU.
>> Reporter: AT THIS LOS
ANGELES HOTEL, A GUEST JUST
CALLED FOR ROOM SERVICE.
SHE WANTS A GINGER ALE.
SO THE FRONT DESK CLERK
SUMMONS THE BELL HOP, WALLY.
AT 3 FEET TALL HE'S A MODEL
EMPLOYEE AND WORKS 24/7 WITH NO
BREAKS FOR FREE.
WALLY IS, OF COURSE, A ROBOT.
PROGRAMMED TO INTERACT WITH
GUESTS AND TO DELIVER THINGS TO
ROOMS.
>> HI, WALLY.
>> Reporter: LATASHA McDOWEL
SAYS THAT IT'S LIKE HAVING R2D2
TO SHOW UP AT YOUR DOOR AND SHE
SAYS HE
DIDN'T EXPECT A TIP.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> THIS IS VERY COOL.
I LOVE IT.
YAY!
>> Reporter: WALLY IS A
SERVICE ROBOT, LOOSELY DEFINED
AS A ROBOT THAT PERFORMS USEFUL
TASKS FOR HUMANS IN A
NONINDUSTRIAL SETTING LIKE A
HOME OR A STORE.
A RECENT STUDY BY A WASHINGTON
THINK TANK SUGGESTED THAT
AUTOMATION WILL THREATEN A
QUARTER OF U.S. JOBS.
THIS HAS MANY WORKERS WONDERING
WILL A ROBOT REPLACEMENT BE
COMING FOR THEM.
>> AND THE IRONY IS THAT YOU
WOULD THINK BECAUSE THE ROBOT,
IT WOULD BE CHEAPER, BUT THE
DRINKS ARE TWICE AS EXPENSIVE.
>> Reporter: IF YOU ARE A FAN
OF THE TOM GREEN SHOW YOU MIGHT
RECOGNIZE HIS FORMER SIDEKICK
AND NOW WITH AN I.T. COMPANY.
HE AND A COUPLE COLLEAGUES CAME
TO THIS LOS ANGELES BAR FOR A
DRINK.
HERE AT THE TIPSY ROBOT, THE TWO
BARTENDERS CAN'T LISTEN TO YOUR
TROUBLES BUT THEY WILL MIX YOUR
DRINK IN 90 SECONDS OR LESS.
>> CHEERS, EVERYONE.
TO THE FUTURE ROBOT DRINKS.
>> Reporter: BUT SEEING IT
AT WORK FOR THE FIRST
TIME, DREW FEARS THAT THE FUTURE
IS BLEAK FOR THE INDUSTRY
SECTOR.
>> IF YOU'RE IN THE BARTENDING
INDUSTRY, LOOK OUT.
>> Reporter: THE BAR'S GENERAL
MANAGER SAYS THAT HUMAN
BARTENDERS NEED NOT WORRY, THIS
ROBOT IS NOT A THREAT.
>> HE WILL NOT TAKE JOBS BECAUSE
THEY CANNOT STILL WORK WITHOUT
HUMANS.
WE STILL NEED HUMANS TO -- JUST
TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS
GOING OKAY.
>> Reporter: FOR INSTANCE,
THESE BARTENDERS NEED HUMANS TO
CHANGE THEIR BOTTLES BUT ALREADY
THE COMPANY IS WORKING ON A NEW
MODEL THAT CAN SOLVE MANY OF
THESE CHALLENGES.
AND THESE RAPID ADVANCES IN
ROBOTIC TECHNOLOGY COULD HAVE
PROFOUND IMPLICATIONS FOR THE
LABOUR FORCE.
>> SOME PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A BIT
LIKE WALKING A DOG.
>> Reporter: DAVID CRAWLY IS
THE FOUNDY OF A ROBOTIC COMPANY
THAT
DESIGNS MAGME.
>> IT'S BUILD LIKE A HUMAN
BRAIN.
FIND PERSON AND IT JUST FOUND
AND YOU IT'S RIDING UP TO YOU.
>> Reporter: IT CAN BE
MODIFIED TO DO DIFFERENT JOBS.
A ROBOTIC PORTER, FOR INSTANCE,
OR A ROBOT COCKTAIL WAITER.
CRAWLEY SAYS THAT THE TECHNOLOGY
IS
ADVANCING SO QUICKLY THAT ROBOTS
COULD BE DOING A LOT OF THE WORK
THAT CANADIANS ARE DOING NOW.
AS A ROBOTI CST, THAT WOULD BE
MY WILDEST FANTASY.
>> Reporter: YOU'RE ROOTING FOR
THE ROBOT.
>> I'M ROOTING FOR THE ROBOT.
YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS FROM
ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND
INTERACT WITH OBJECTS AND DO THE
SORTS OF THINGS THAT HUMANS CAN
DO AND YET THAT'S GOING TO
DISPLACE HUMAN WORK.
RECEPTIONISTS AND SECRETARIES
PEOPLE THAT DO THINGS IN
OFFICES WILL BE THE NEXT AREA
THAT ROBOTS WILL DISPLACE.
>> Reporter: ON A STREET
CORNER IN SAN FRANCISCO, CAFÉX.
THE ONLY COFFEE SHOP IN AMERICA
RUN BY A ROBOT.
IT'S A VERY FRIENDLY ROBOT?
>> IT HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT
DANCE ROUTINES.
>> Reporter: THE ROBOT'S YOUNG
INVENTOR SAYS THAT EMPLOYEES CAN
FOCUS ON CUSTOMERS INSTEAD OF
THE BORING TASK OF MAKING THE
COMPANY.
-- COUGH EYE.
BUT UNUSUALLY FRANK ADMISSION
THAT HE CONCEDES BY USING ROBOTS
THE BUSINESS IS ABLE TO REDUCE
ONE OF ITS HIGHEST COSTS.
>> IT CERTAINLY GIVES US THE
FLEXIBILITY TO SORT OF ADJUST
THE AMOUNT OF LABOUR THAT WE
HAVE ON SITE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
THE BASIC FUNCTIONALITY OF
MAKING DRINKS IS DONE BY A ROBOT
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT MAKES IT MORE ECONOMICAL
FOR US TO SCALE REALLY QUICKLY.
>> Reporter: RESEARCHERS
SUGGEST THAT IN 20 YEARS,
ROUGHLY 90% OF THE JOBS IN THE
FOOD PREPARATION INDUSTRY COULD
BE DONE BY ROBOTS.
IS THIS THE FUTURE?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY
OBVIOUS THAT IT IS, YEAH.
>> Reporter: BACK AT THIS LOS
ANGELES HOTEL, WALLY HAS
FINISHED HIS DELIVERY.
>> YOU NEED ANYTHING FOR YOUR
ROOM, IT WILL BRING IT TO YOU.
>> Reporter: RIGHT NOW WALE
AND MANY OTHER SERVICE ROBOTS
AREN'T ACTUAL LEVITAL TO THE
BOTTOM LINE,
MORE LIKE A NOVELTY TO DRAW
CUSTOMERS.
>> THANK WALLY.
>> Reporter: CHANCES ARE THAT
YOU WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A
ROBOTIC COLLEAGUE AT WORK BUT
IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU WILL
ACTUALLY BE REPLACED ANYTIME
SOON.
AFTER ALL, CUSTOMERS STILL NEED
HUMAN INTERACTION AND ROBOTS
STILL NEED US FOR NOW.
KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS
ANGELES.
>> Adrienne: OKAY.
NEXT ON "THE NATIONAL"... OUR
"MOMENT," WHY ONE MAN WHO FLED
SYRIA FOR CANADA IS LEADING
THE CHARGE TO HELP THE BARHO
FAMILY.
>> AS A SYRIAN COMMUNITY WE FELT
THAT
WE HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY TO
SHOW KINDNESS AND LOVE.
WE ALWAYS SAY THAT LOVE IS THE
ANSWER AND HATE IS THE CANCER.
>> Adrienne: NOW THIS, THIS IS
VANDAL DOUGHNUTS IN HALIFAX.
TODAY ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE
LINING UP FOR SOMETHING VERY
SWEDE INDEED.
YOU SEE, VANDAL ARE SELLING
TREATS
AND ALL OF THE PROCEEDS GO TO
THE BARHO FAMILY.
THEY ARE SYRIAN REFUGEES WHO
LOST ALL SEVEN CHILDREN IN THAT
DEADLY HOUSE FIRE EARLIER THIS
WEEK.
VANDAL WAS NOT JUST SELLING
DOUGHNUTS BUT SELLING CHOCOLATE
BARS FROM SOMEONE WHO ALSO FLED
VIOLENCE IN SYRIA.
A CHOCOLATIER'S SADNESS OVER THE
TRAGEDY
COMES WITH THE KINSHIP OF
KNOWING WHAT THEY ESCAPED.
HIS GESTURE AND REACTION IS
TONIGHT'S "MOMENT."
>> YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE STORY
CONNECTS ON SO MANY LEVELS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY MY FAMILY
HAS LOST EVERYTHING BACK HOME IN
SYRIA AND IT'S ALSO VERY
IMPORTANT SINCE WE CAME HERE IN
2016 AND WE REALLY FELT WHAT IT
WOULD MEAN TO LOSE EVERYTHING IN
THE BLINK OF AN EYE, WE WERE
REACHED OUT BY VANDAL DOUGHNUTS
IN HALIFAX AND WE WERE LOOKING
FOR A SUPPLIER AND A VENDOR IN
THIS CITY BECAUSE WE'RE TWO
HOURS FROM THE FAMILY.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO THANK
EVERYONE WHO BELIEVED IN WHAT
THEY WERE DOING, THEY BELIEVED
IN THE
KINDNESS OF CANADIANS ALL ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
AND AS A SYRIAN
COMMUNITY WE FELT THAT WE HAD
THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW
KINDNESS AND LOVE.
YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT LOVE IS THE
ANSWER.
AS SYRIANS HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA
ANDS AT A SYRIAN IN CANADA, I
REALLY WANT
TO THANK EVERYONE WHO OFFERED
HELP TO THE FAMILY AND WE REALLY
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
CONTINUE THIS APPROACH FOR THE
DAYS TO COME.
>> Ian: THIS REMINDS ME SO MUCH
OF THE HUMBOLDT STORY.
EVERY TIME I SEE THE PICTURES OF
THOSE KIDS IT IS JUST SO HARD
AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTENSE
PAIN THAT THE PARENTS WILL FEEL.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S NICE THAT
THERE'S AT LEAST THIS COLLECTIVE
RITUAL OF GRIEF THAT PEOPLE CAN
TAKE PART IN.
IN THIS CASE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE
AS JUST BUYING A DOUGHNUT.
>> Adrienne: BECAUSE YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO DO, RIGHT?
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
FOR
THESE PARENTS IN PARTICULAR.
AND TAREQ HADHAD WAS SAYING TO
ONE OF OUR
PRODUCERS TODAY THAT HIS
GRANDFATHER TOLD HIM THAT THE
HARDEST THING -- THAT
IMMIGRATION IS THE HARDEST PART,
TRANSITION, IN SOMEONE'S LIFE.
SO HE IS REALLY FEELING FOR THEM
ON SO MANY LEVELS RIGHT NOW.
>> Rosemary: YEP, GOOD TO SEE
AN OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT.
THEY'LL NEED IT MORE IN THE DAYS
AHEAD.
THAT'S "THE NATIONAL" FOR
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 21st.
GOODNIGHT, EVERYONE.
>> Ian: GOODNIGHT.
>> Adrienne: GOODNIGHT.
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