BREAKING: NBC News Today Fires Matt Lauer Over THIS
we have some breaking news right now the New York Times is reporting that Matt
Lauer at NBC News has been fired for misconduct we are just getting new
information here rich and what else do we have what is the New York Times
reporting with regard to the Today Show and Matt Lauer which obviously is one of
the golden boys at NBC a major moneymaker is the Today Show on NBC News
and Matt Lauer has been fired over inappropriate workplace behavior this is
from the New York Times the report just coming on the wires back and former
White House press secretary under President Trump Sean Spicer joining us
right now Sean good to see you thanks so much for joining us
you bet good morning Maria Wow I mean what a tipping point Harvey Weinstein
and and and and then and then and then and then and this morning we've got news
on Matt Lauer we don't have a lot of information Sean I don't know if you
have any but right now all we know is that Matt Lauer has been fired from NBC
News according to the New York Times for inappropriate workplace behavior what is
going on well I think considering Matt Lauer stature with both within NBC News
and within the news media this is a huge huge deal because it really shows that
there is a fundamental paradigm shift and how those issues are going to be
handled and that there the tolerance level for inappropriate behavior is
continuing to become a place where men in particular in this case have to be
very careful and I think that the idea that that NBC News in particular is
taking this seriously shows how big of a deal it's becoming you remember
initially they were the they were the outlet that had the Harvey Weinstein's
story and then story circulated that they did everything they could to not
air that story and had their correspondent Ronan Farrow actually go
to another publication to put it out so for NBC News to be taking this kind
of a drastic step with one of the principal anchors of NBC News shows how
serious this issue has become not just at NBC News but throughout our country
yeah you're absolutely right and now I guess it's triggering more people to
come out more people to say look this happened to me and
Michu and that's a good thing because women or anyone who has been assaulted
or the victim of misconduct they're no longer afraid Sean no and that's right
and I think that's why that's when you see when you see big people like Harvey
Weinstein who in that industry when you see Matt Lauer when you see an Al
Franken oricon yours all of these people in these prominent industries who are
large you know giants if you will within their respective industries in some
cases beyond their industry fall I think that is a very positive sign for women
to say you don't have to fear any longer you can speak up when something is
inappropriate over the line or you feel uncomfortable because you're just trying
to do your job or advance yourself in your career yeah now we don't have the
details but apparently staffer a staffer had made a complaint we are hearing now
that NBC has confirmed this so we no longer need to attribute this to the New
York Times NBC the Today Show has confirmed that Matt Lauer has been fired
for inappropriate workplace behavior and we will likely find more details about
this what do you want to say in terms of what's happening in Hollywood right now
Sean because it feels like you know when you look at what happened with Harvey
Weinstein you look at others in you know Kevin Spacey a lot of this stuff was
going on and everybody knew about it and yeah you just said you simple now
you're telling me and now you know it you're coming forward and you're
denouncing Harvey Weinstein but how many years were you complicit and actually
allowed this to go on right and I actually think it's one of the things
that's overlooked in this discussion because we focus on the individual is
how many women in particular careers did not blossom or take off or were
railroaded or frankly switched industries because of the workplace
environment that they were in and I think that's really interesting how many
careers didn't take off how many careers were you know capped if
you will because somebody felt that they couldn't speak out in the environment
and I think that that is that is sort of the lost piece of this discussion that
there's so many things that could have happened if these things that have been
dressed earlier but I think you know looking at some of these industries
particularly these left-leaning liberal institutions NBC
newse you know all of Hollywood and recognizing that these folks on the hard
left need to take a look in particular at their own behavior and the way that
they treat women for the champions that they claim to be and I think we all need
to do it as a country so this isn't just isolated into one thing but I think for
folks who have spent decades preaching the higher ground it's time that we look
at how people are dealt with I think this is a very positive development that
people whether whether they're male or female or how high they are on the totem
pole they can finally feel a little bit freer now to speak out yeah look maybe
they can stop lecturing the rest of us now but but look you mentioned the left
let's be fair here there are issues right now on the right you've got Roy
Moore in a problem of its own right now and then of course last year during the
election there were several women who accused President Trump then candidate
Trump of misconduct where does that stand right now by the way Shawn have we
heard from those 16 women recently the people who charge then candidate Trump
with misconduct during the election I don't know I have not heard anything
additionally in the last several is different how is this - how might this
be different well I think the only thing that makes it different frankly I think
first of all I would say that all allegations should be treated seriously
I think we can't dismiss people who make those but I also believe that we need to
make sure that we we do give people we are a country of due process and
individuals need to to make sure that they have an opportunity to confront
their accusers as in any court as in any you know accusation that is made under
our judicial system so I mean we have to take a look at the individuals but then
we have to have a system of due process and to make sure that people can't just
be accused and be dismissed and so I think there's a difference between a
workplace environment and a legal matter right so in a workplace matter that is
up to the HR department to decide whether or not within the confines of
those employment agreements somebody is is violating the standards and practices
that they have set forth in their employment and in some of these private
organizations whether it's NBC News or the Weinstein companies or what-have-you
that's one thing I think in cases where you have an elected official in some
cases depending on what level of government is there are
appropriate venues if that can be discussed in so in the head case of the
house of the Senate there's a house in Senate ethics committees but ultimately
beyond those venues then there's obviously voters you get to make a
decision whether or not the allegations that they feel have been made you know
are they have to weigh those in terms of how they're going to vote for a
particular individual so it's not as clear-cut in in the cases of elected
officials in the sense that in a private company the just a matter of employment
can be dealt with at the HR then if that individual wants to look at civil
activity that's their their ability to pursue that or criminal charges beyond
that yeah I want to find out really what this is going to mean in terms of hiring
how the workplace changes but first as I mentioned earlier Sean the Today Show
has confirmed that Matt Lauer has been fired from NBC for inappropriate
workplace behavior right now Judge Andrew Napolitano judge good to see you
thanks for joining us good morning or troubling news yeah I mean the question
is what level of due process is an employee of a private entity entitled to
before the bosses decide we believe these allegations and you're out it's
obviously not the same level of due process as when the government wants
your life liberty or your property but there has to be some basic fairness now
from this we can conclude that an entity the size of NBC with the internal legal
staff that it has was advised there has to be some investigation you have to ask
the the defendant his version and then you can call it you don't need a trial
you don't need confrontation you don't need lawyers but there has to be some
basic investigation and basic fairness so that you are satisfied that the
decision you're making is correct otherwise he has a substantial course of
action against NBC because he's protected by a contract and ELAC the NBC
News president in the statement that was put out said that
while it is the first complaint about his behavior in over 20 years that he's
been at NBC News we are also presented with reason to believe that this may not
have been an isolated incident they can that's a great observation taken and so
the question now becomes can they take into account what the law calls prior
bad acts uncomplaining about unprosecuted behavior but behavior which
if complained about and if pursued and if proven would be sufficient to fire
him and the answer is yes they can take into account almost any information or
data they can gather about him as long as they present it to him and his
representatives and he and they have an opportunity to challenge it again we're
not talking about a jury trial we're talking about something that can happen
in 24 or 48 hours I doubt that this broke last night it sounds as though
it's been brewing for a little apparently the the complaint was made
Monday night from one staffer I don't know what happened in terms of looking
at the past 20 years in terms of his contract does that mean it's over
there's no I mean because he's very high highly paid yes termination for cause
clause probably right this is a termination for clause then
theoretically NBC would owe him nothing and they were would be exercising an
option given to them under the under the contract now his lawyers may very well
say look here's five ways we can challenge this we won't challenge any of
it if you buy us out and and often that happens but if NBC really wants to make
a send a message to its employees and to the world obviously on this particular
issue they may say we're not buying out at all this is the cause this is Swift
this is swift action if everything this allegation was made on Monday I'm
surprised at what you both told me that it was made on Monday because a a person
as highly compensated and highly regarded and well known as him it's hard
to believe that all of this happened in less than 48 hours
Monday night on Monday night we received a detail complaint from a colleague
about inappropriate behavior in the workplace due process this basic
fairness that your employer was not the government owes you really happened
quickly yeah let's recall the CEO of Comcast is Brian Robert Knight the
Robert's family has ethics beyond reproach it's been a family business way
before it went public way before and and I don't think he would ever put the
reputation of his family and his company at risk irrespective of how amazing this
person may or may not be about 20 years and in that time frame the company was
also owned by a General Electric not just Comcast I'm just talking the
Comcast yeah no you're right though that's a good point about Brian Roberts
you want to quickly hit on the Consumer Protection Bureau
you've got Mick Mulvaney a victory here yeah it is it is a it is a temporary
victory this was a preliminary application meaning it goes back for a
full fledged trial and then there's the right to appeal short circuit all this
the president ought to nominate today whoever he wants to run this entity
permanently and the Senate should confirm that person and then this will
be over with will that whatever you think of this of this Bureau it is
entitled to a full time director this is not about who should run it but while
we're going into a budget process it's hard to believe that the head of the OMB
should also be running the Consumer Protection it's hard to believe that
these two Cordray and his Leandre Costanza that the Wall Street Journal
calls are did an end-around and it basically is an exclamation point on the
fact that the Democrats created this this Financial Protection Bureau
unaccountable to get around this in a sense I am glad that the litigation
happened as frustrating as it as it has been because the American public is
titled to note did the Congress enact some entity alien to the Constitution
immune from politics insulated from the President of the United States and if so
is that lawful and Constitution yeah I know you're smiling because you know
how I would answer that question probably I differently we met in the
journal a drama queen loses her head I judge good to see it thank you so much
their gender Napolitano there
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