It is said that curiosity killed the cat
but since I'm not a cat...
and I believe that curiosity is for when one is supposedly
seeking for answers about things one wants to know
for some time I've been searching for answers to things out there that are not very rational
things that first manifested through daily life
and then there were people who gave significance to what was happening
So I began almost like some sort of investigator and then it became fun like playing a game
in trying to find answers to some things.
During my path the answers kept appearing like now by my side is this great amount of answers
dressed as a human...
who's name is Matías De Stefano, did I say it well?
Yes
Do you have any other names?
Gustavo
Matías Gustavo De Stefano
And some years ago when I was seeking for answers you also appeared in my path
but not in person, only through the internet.
And since that moment
as we spoke about education a lot, which was our first theme
to me it was a very interesting topic about life because through education we get to
other knowledge helpful to life such as health, and also to find a way in order to achieve economic stability too
like the new economy.
So it was like putting some of those sensations into words.
Matías Gustavo De Stefano...
First I will start by the most obvious question
Who are you?
Well, as I was saying to me that's always a very complex question because
I see it in different forms so I think when someone asks who are you
normally the first answer is what we believe we are today
or what others created out of us as a reflection
Who are you? An university title...
my name... whatever
But to me is more complex because I always think in several levels let's say
the physical, emotional, spiritual, dimensionaly
So I believe that in a summary what I can say of me is that today, as Matías De Stefano
I am someone who remembers...
someone who came to remember a message in a way, about who we are, what we are supposed to do
and just one more of many that came here bringing this message
Personally I can also call myself like some sort of educator on universal psycho-pedagogy
because from the career that I was studying
my intention with what I am is to also help others in learning about who they are
But mainly I am one who remembers, which is my capacity in this life.
Yes and the majority of people when they are asked who they are the answer comes from their success
coming from achieving some title or for example when they say I'm an engineer
so is it right to say it like that?
Yes, and there it is
when someone asks who are you usually people answer with what they do, isn't it?
Yes
What do I do? I remember. Who am I? I am one who remembers... right?
But in reality we are much more than this
We are a spirit having an experience, right?
And in this experience my roll is remembering to help others learn about these memories
Yes and so we are spirits having a human experience
Yes, obviously
Obviously.
And what do you think about during these last decades we've been classifying our most recent newcomers
these babies that we say Oh yes this belongs to children x and this to children y
Is this really happening or how does it work?
Yes I think that humanity feels a need to classify things
on who are we, what do we do, the same when there was the commoners and the feudals, etc.
then it was the engineer and the doctor as professions
and everything that came after the 60's and the 70's
which was the world of peace and love, and trying to understand a bit more an utopian world
from which we could create something new and different
it also started the same process of classification
like the vegetarians and the vegans
and from the 80's it was a classification mainly of souls
Yes so not so much on the exterior but more of the interior
Yes a classification on souls due to some russians who came up with a type of photo
called Kirlian
which was a type of photography that could photograph the magnetic and energetic field of the body
Around the decades of 70 or 80 I'm not sure, they started photographing and saw that
our energetic fields had different colors according to our abilities or what each being had
and starting in the 80's there was an increment of the indigo color
which is between the blue and the violet
so this color began to be very visible on the babies being born at the time
and they were called the Indigo generation
And from there it start a sort of classification
indigo souls, violet, blue, green, they began to be classified by groups
And you felt also belonging to these groups or...?
What happened with me was that I got to know those differences
because since I was a little child, and like any other child I had my imaginary friends
at around 3, 4 years old I had these friends and I talked with other beings
I had certain connections with other planes that any other child has, while playing, etc.
The difference was that, since generally from around 4 years old our culture and our parents and friends
start blocking these connections with ourselves and with these other planes
but some of us are able to maintain it further until 5, 6, 7, 8
others until 9 and 10. And still many keep going
Is there a plan to block these things on us or is it an innocent thing?
I believe that it happens in both ways
If we look into our past religious centuries, religion wanted for us to follow them
so if you wanted to have other experiences it was not correct, it was by the devil
this was for Europe, while on other cultures they had masters like in the Buddhism
but for the European culture and also in South America that was seen as bad
it was like it wasn't seen as so good
but then we passed to Scientism and this was even worst because it didn't accept anything
that had to do with another plane unless the physical one
And now we are entering more into the energetic and emotional planes so we are into something else
but we are still coming from a culture that everything that is related with our education, work,
economy, politics, everything centers around the matter
so I think that unconsciously there is a block on those abilities
and I lived through this because with my friends everyone could see and feel things
some more than others but from around 5 years old everyone stopped perceiving
when we started playing soccer and in school etc. but I continued to perceive these things
Until at 12 years old or 11 really, I needed psychological help
because I wasn't able to cope let's say, with what I always felt as a little child
which normally gets blocked when you're no longer a kid but with me it never was
and on top of that I started entering pre-adolescence...
Interesting. And how was the presence of psychology on something that to psychology is improbable?
And also the first reaction in a country like Argentina which is about psychoanalysis...
Yes we are very psychoanalysts
Yes, the first reaction normally is "take them to the psychiatric"
because "I have a personality problem" because he believes he was many persons before
Schizophrenia...
Then "he doesn't know how to communicate" so it's autism
Then "he doesn't want to follow orders" or whatever and so it was ADD because he is very disperse
So it's like putting you an incapacity label
Yes and then we are everything at the same time.
"He won't be able to do anything"
For sure, in psychology everything we are going through was all these problems
Schizophrenia, autism, ADD...
And what is psychoanalysis at this point in time?
I think it's a way and practice of being able to express everything that's inside with another one
to analyse what is unconscious...
Almost like a religious act?
Exactly. It's like going to do some cure
To confess...
Yes to confess a sin
Which makes you feel aliviated
Yes "Oh now I feel better" but then one continues to do the same, maybe I don't know...
So then you were able to sort it out and find your way?
Yes I was able through a certain psychologist actually, when I began with school the good thing
was that the dean and the plastic arts teacher
both of them could perceive things, specially of the plastic arts that she could also see auras
so sometimes when I was in the class she could see what was happening with me
and she came asking What's wrong? because she already knew what as going on around me
So at least on these things I had someone to talk to
and I always could talk to my mother too
my mother at first didn't understand what was going on because everything was new
in my family nobody talked about these things...
And how were you as a kid? Were you very sensitive?
Yes...
Were you "normal" like going to play soccer, being social?
I was both, what happened was that I was very sociable
mainly with the adults in my neighbourhood, I could talk to them at the same level
and with my friends I was the one organizing things, with the games and etc.
so everyone expected me to tell what we would do, when and where to go
for me that was natural.
So when "autism" moments struck I stayed at home checking out some plant
and everyone used to come to see what should we do
Of course..
But we also have many moments of introspection
and they happen more and more throughout our youth
we start following things in a different way and we understand that people attack us by following
these different things.
I see..
And the first to attack us is the family. In my family and in my case that was not the case
because my mother listened to me
with my grandmother I never talked with her about this
and with my grandfathers and grand-grand mother we didn't talk much about these things
only many years later.
Is was only with my mother and I never had any problems with this, to tell what I was feeling
The problem for me was in the school,
when I was feeling and perceiving things
and things of past lives were too strange to me
and when I started to write in other languages
then I began to have constant headaches every day...
And did you felt those things in the primary school or the secondary?
All of them really, and suffering through all those years...
The only time I didn't suffer so much was in the last 2 years when I was in Barcelona
It wasn't that hard there because I could integrate myself a lot into the "human" world let's say...
Of course...
When I could differentiate things in a certain way
But as I was saying what helped me a lot was this psychologist at my 12 years old...
because the first one I had wanted to intern me, but then later on she came saying to us
it was a shame she couldn't understand me at that time because a lot more kids started appearing
and that was a key for me, to see that it was only one psychologist in a tiny town like Venado Tuerto
from where I was born, and nevertheless it started appearing a lot more child patients
with the same things...
and they were also saying "no because I remember these things from the past"
"because I can see these things, and this happened to me and that..."
and everyone of them were going through the same things so that psychologist
said those things never happened to her before
and that nobody teached her to deal with that... and it was like that.
But with this other psychologist no, this one knew what I was going through because she belonged to
a group of Gnostics.
And the Gnostics were teaching a lot of information from the ancient times
and things that were happening with humanity and a lot of the occult information
that normally is not spoken about often.
So when I started talking with her as a patient, this was around 12 and 13 years old
She said to me Don't worry about it...
you are answering to me what I didn't understand from all the books, as I was told
And she called another person and then another and they started helping me...
And they were the ones who called me Indigo for the first time
and I understood that classification when I was a kid and I wanted to find another ones like me too
I was feeling a message inside me saying Go find the others, join them all together
So I asked myself how can I do that, and who are they?
And these people had a name, the Indigo children.
I myself was a child then, and I only knew they were called Indigo children
because they had it in their aura, and a capacity of perception, of feeling more things
of seeing things from the future and from the past, remember other lives,
to heal, and they have a different kind of life but it has to do with something that transcends
"the normal", which is what is established from our social patterns.
and we would be able to do even more things because as a child we did it like playing a game.
And did you meet more like you?
While I was growing yes, and even in my classroom there were kids that felt things
but for fear or because what happened in their home or whatever they didn't speak about it
but then with time some of them told me that yes I used to feel this and that happened with me...
and then I met with some of them that remembered the same things as I did and of the same situations
that were from other times that we lived together and we compared them and it was really the same
and when I grew more I opened myself more and listened to other people
and more information came of how many we were, and that we were not alone after all.
Because what usually happens with these kids is that they feel attacked by their school
or teachers and parents to a point they repress inside themselves what they feel
and then they suffer alone. They don't know they are not alone...
Of course, not being able to express what they feel and to not know they are not an error and are not lost
is something that is painful...
Yes, for sure...
One thinks he is not normal and that was what I felt too
I could only accept what was happening to me at 17, 18 years old
that was when I said to myself Ok, what is happening to me is what it is
and it's logical to others too not just to me
but for many I was schizophrenic until I was able to explain to people
at around 17, 18 when I started to explain what I was feeling and what was going on
and then they also started to respond not with admiration but with a great necessity in listening
as if they were looking at someone who was not contaminated and that remembers...
That was when I understood it was not me who was crazy and that a lot of people wanted to listen to me.
I see..
So in a way that was like the beginning
until this day, how old are you now?
I'm with 26 now
26 years old...
Almost 27
Is there a practical way let's say for someone to discover who he is?
I don't know, some formula maybe?
A formula... well...
The hard thing to see is that this reality is created by everyone.
By everyone...?
Everything that exists... and since a kid I asked myself who created all this?
And when I started to remember how the Creation happened
this was around my 16 years when I started to remember about the Creation
I started to bang my head in the wall
because I couldn't tolerate it and it was too much to bear what I was feeling because
when it's something that you can't see neither it had any logic, it was too complex
so I had very bad headaches
and then I was understanding with time, when I began to pursue this
was that we all created the reality. It was not just one who did it
and when it's not just one who creates it then it's all of us together, everything that exists
so this means there are millions and millions of ways and methods to go to the totality
to understand who we are and who each of us is.
It's very complicated then that there is some book
called "The method to know who you are" or a method to go back to your essence...
But it is indispensable to know who one is...
Yes, but everything we create is really to discover who we are...
Everything that happens in our lives, everything that we do is the method we created
to discover who we really are. So...
It's the same as saying the life each of us is living, individually or everyone
is the formula to discover who we are.
Exactly, what happens is that we believe that who we are, as I was saying before
is in the reflection of ourselves from others...
or in what we believe of ourselves.
But the real me is not in what I believe I am, neither in what others call me
neither in what my culture created for me, right? That is not who I am...
Where is it?
So where is it, it is in the transcendence of all these facets
What we are doing in life is to live all facets of our personality
which was created by us, by others, and by the environment, right?
By those three methods it was created our personality and what we are today, in this moment.
Is it easy for you to explain life?
Sometimes. To live it is more complicated.
Many times to explain it can be easy, the problem is when they say Yes but to live it....
Of course, to live it is another thing
It's like figuring out how to swim, yes you may say it's easy
but you have to go into the ocean and swim
then it comes a current and pulls you down you never know what can happen
it's very unpredictable.
It can be explained but, like I'm saying to you now there are these three factors
that make you believe in who you are
and this is also not false, it is what you created to be able to understand one perspective
of who you really are.
So everything that happens is not a fabrication.
It's just what helps us in recognizing who we are.
Of course...
And that is something that we have to play with joy, let's say...
there is not a method to discover who we are, the method is life itself
The important is to live it the best way possible.
Of course... So with all these tools coming from everywhere and from other times in your head
you are just a mortal that has a soul, and dreams and fall in love and gets angry...
right? does that happen to you?
Evidently because those are the all the things that make us discover who we are
If one is born in this life without having none of that
then what's it worth to be alive?
Life is to experience a facet of who we really are and
collaborate with others in finding themselves...
in you I also discover myself
but if you already discovered you, if you already know everything about you, already experienced everything
then life doesn't have any more meaning.
Life is really jumping into the unknown
In my case for example, what happened since I was a kid like what's happening with many
is that we remember in unity where we come from, what are we doing here, and where we are going
we just unite and even so it's not the only truth
we unite all the dots that were lost for most people and many don't even know they exist
so in a perspective we can say that we have an advantage but not the only truth
between quotes, an advantage in being able to connect with that reality
but it's not the only way of doing it.
So everyone in his interior has a method for that
there are some who use science, technology, religious methods, emotional, of love, or through alimentation
each one has a different method to discover who he really is
there is not just one method to do it.
What there is is universal patterns that collaborate with everyone in doing it
but they just collaborate, so it doesn't mean they are the only ones...
And what are you doing is to collaborate in a plan, as it's clear that you are here by a plan...
and you are putting this plan into work for some years now?
Yes, in the beginning everything that I was remembering I thought it was from my lives and my realities
and I remembered them emotionally...
I remembered my grandchildren in a river, the Nile river...
How did you remembered you saw them?
Yes, I remembered the smells and what we were doing and how we were dressed...
You had access to your other past lives then...
Yes and it was a very easy access
Very easy...
I remembered as if I was living it
It would mix with my life and my family now
Like having the same consciousness of now...
Yes it was the same as me being here today and living and doing what I do now
and it also was a consciousness of more past lives...
So the human being doesn't usually do this... you're and exception
if we are four here and only you can do it then it's an exception.
Wasn't supposed for the human being to have this innate capacity?
It is in our genetics, the capacity to have this information, it's already there
that's the first thing to understand, this information exists in our interior
and everyone has the potential to do anything
and probably that's why we block it in ourselves because
if we already create disasters with the little potential we have now
then if we would activate all the potential the planet would not exist anymore
that's why we don't have full activation
If it could be measured scientifically that you may have more DNA strands active
or more fibers or more... do you know how many DNA strands you have?
No, I have no idea
Everyone has the same but probably what happens is that one of these factors that they call
the residual DNA in science, is that many of us are activating them
not all of it but just a tiny bit
and maybe one of these chromosomes or I don't know the name because I don't know much about this
but one of these strands of DNA
probably is activating and enabling a potential that we all have
but that in ourselves from the 80's and 90's started to activate more
I believe that what they were doing mainly in the U.S.
was analysing the blood of children who they call Indigo or Crystal
and as they maybe have one or two more strands activated
makes of them healers for example because they can't get sick
for example their cells can disable cancer
Yes they are like immortals so to say
Yes they are constantly healing themselves
But that is innate in every human being, what happens is that
it comes with evolution...
It's like the first Neanderthal that started thinking differently from the rest of them
Today a Neanderthal appears to be an idiot in our history
nevertheless he was one of the more intelligent beings that started to accomplish something different
and in general it wasn't like that
but there was a change
then came the Homo-sapiens and another change, and another...
This that you're doing in humanity is another change...
Yes it's another change, a natural genetic change in the evolution
that it isn't even a change in consciousness, it's just a natural change
consciousness simply changes with biology
so as the biology of the planet changes we are also changing
It's a biological matter?
Yes it's more biological than spiritual
the spirit is the essence that allows for evolution and the learning of this evolution
there is always evolution, constantly
it's just that we got used to see evolution as an evolution of science for example
with more tools and technology then more evolution there is...
but no, in reality we are the ones who evolve
and we are the ones who make technology exist
so there are many things that we can start changing our perception with...
Is technology ours alone or does it come from somewhere else?
Technology is part ours and on other part it isn't
but it has to do with our own potential
here we start to enter in the field that we don't really come only from this planet
but we come from all planets
this also generates a lot of confusion in the memories many of us have
because there are more and more children who remember things
and in these memories often times appear Sirius, Pleiades, Arcturus, constellations
of other systems that give us information and memories that we lived there
and that there was different technology
and many of those who are here today
are the result of what they did on those planets and different solar systems
so many of the tools that the human being has today
are the result of what existed in those other planets.
And how does one travel from one planet to another
I suppose we had physical bodies on other planets so
if a human being today lived in the Pleiades how does one come to get here?
Well that has to do with Reincarnation...
which is the key in everything I explain
because everything I remember is because I lived them in other times
so all these memories of past lives
that help me to explain the Plan, let's say...
is due to death and rebirth, death and rebirth...
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