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I'm joined by the Conservative MP Chris Philp who's confident it can and
also by Liz Savell Roberts Plaid Cymrus Westminster leader who's worried that
Wales will suffer a very good evening to you both well let me start with you Liz
Savell Roberts do you feel that Wales will suffer and you're not reassured by
the the Prime Minister coming to Wales today to tell you the future's bright
The Prime Minister came to the Vale of Glamorgan I wish perhaps she may well do she has in the past come to my
constituency of Dwyfor Meirionnydd if she was to meet my upland farmers my Hill
farmers here who export 90 percent of the lamb that is exported from Wales
goes to Europe they're concerned about going out on WTO tariffs that could be
as much as 60% and they're also concerned about being held up at customs
barriers which they may well face in the future with perishable food goods
Well
let me bring in Chris Philp then with the counter-argument I mean there just I
mean Liz Saville Roberts there just touching on a few areas
which still need to be resolved and the clock really is ticking are you confident
that this can more or less be signed off by October?
Yes I am the doom mongers and naysayers
have been wrong so far we've got the withdrawal agreement agreed and we've got
the transition agreement agreed just a couple of weeks ago let's not forget
it's in the European Union's interests as much as ours to get this deal done of
course it's in the interests of the Welsh sheep farmers but let's not forget
the UK is the largest export market for German cars so you know Mercedes BMW
Volkswagen Audi I'm not gonna want to see their largest export market
disrupted so I think the European Union will be pragmatic and sensible and
protect jobs both here and in the EU by striking a sensible trade deal
but what makes it easier of course is that we're starting
off from a position of perfect alignment right our rules and regulations are
currently identical to the EU so we're not starting from poles apart we're starting
from right together Okay well Liz Savile Roberts are you
reassured by that and following on from what Chris Philp has been saying
there more or less the EU takes these strong positions and then something is
negotiated at the last minute we saw that in December we saw it again in March
do you not think by October as Chris Philp says the European Union will say well
Liz we have to allow frictionless trade and you help farmers and others will be
satisfied This is all speculation we're only 12 months away the only certain
fact that we have as things stand is that by the 30th of March next year we
will be a third country we don't even know whether we will have a tech trade
agreement we don't know whether we'll be able to have a meaningful vote in
Westminster on a trade trade deal in all honesty that the level of uncertainty
and that is still true here in Wales for the fishermen for farmers for people in
the steel industry the people in all those industries with complex roots of
moving goods and materials between Europe and back here to Wales
now Wales really does be set to suffer most in the sense that our economy is
based on export and the degree of uncertainty I know is still going up
Well well let me put this to you Chris Philp well I mean isn't there an easy
solution to this in terms of removing one of the red lines and Theresa May has
already done that with the EU citizens right she said a few weeks before she
she caved in that things would change after brexit but of course they they
won't till after transition we don't know the shape of that the customs union
if the UK stays in the customs union that sorts out the Northern Ireland
border it sorts out frictionless trade well of course the huge problem with
staying in the customs union is that we then can't do free trade deals with the
majority of the world who don't have a free trade deal with the EU countries
like America Brazil China India all of these very large and also fast-growing
countries so we'd be depriving ourselves of one of the opportunities what about a
relationship with one of the biggest exporting countries in the world
with Germany and France you know why seek other ones to replace if they've
got The European Union represents 20% of global the global economy the rest of
the world represents 80 percent but it is of course vital we do have a close
relationship and our objective is to do a free trade deal and come to a customs
arrangement that works for them and works for us and as I said a moment ago
you know it's in their economic interest if they refuse to no reason if they
refuse to a reasonable trade deal or reasonable customs deal it'll damage their They'll blink?
I wouldn't call it blinking it's acting in their interests and ours All right Liz Saville Roberts
I want to put to you you know as Welsh representative obviously
about this issue of powers coming back from Brussels it's all about taking back
control brexit but does it look like Westminster's going to be taking back
control and Wales won't get any more decision in her destiny Well this is one
of the great mysteries to us we're told about how wonderful it is returning
serenity and to be returning taking back control what mess Westminster is doing
is taking back control of 24 of the powers that would have been devolved to
Wales and to Scotland and in all honesty if Mr Philps MP then tries to describe
try to describe this is not being a power grab I would ask well why isn't it
being left in place let's face it Well let me answer the question
Yeah well it will save me asking go on Let me answer the question so not
a single power currently exercised in Wales or Scotland is being taken away
from Wales or Scotland there's no power being grabbed there 158 powers are
coming back from the European Union to the United Kingdom of that hundred and
fifty-eight 134 will go back to the devolved administration Scotland Wales
Northern Ireland 24 will continue to be exercised in Westminster the vast
majority get handed down now it's very important that for the UK single market
and we have for example common product standards at the moment product
standards like you know the standards for toasters get set by Europe if we did
devolve that power to Wales and Scotland so to be ridiculous if you have a
different set of toaster standards in Scotland compared to Wales because then
if you make a toaster in Wales you can't send it to Scotland it's common sense
The Welsh aren't going to come up different toasters are they? Well who knows I mean so you've got a
common market I'm gonna say where you got a common market like the EU you have
common standards the Common Market we're gonna be part of when we leave is the UK
common market that needs common standards and in those 24 areas out of a
158 we'll keep having our standards well Liz Saville Roberts will have to come back
on that Westminster has to do it because you can't be trusted not to set up your own toasters I didn't say that
up your own toasters
We've been discussing fisheries this week and fishing quotas particularly now when the
UK Wales included leaves the these quotas are going to need to be
renewed and under previous well previous arrangements of Westminster governments
Westminster government rubber-stamped the sale of 90% of Welsh fishing quotas to
foreign firms if things remained as they stood Welsh government would be able to
decide how best to allocate those quotas how to deal with this as it stands now
that our is taken back to Westminster Okay I want to let that stand and I want
to move on so there you know the big issue that's the real fly in the
ointment and your views on how the Northern Ireland border okay we're
leaving the customs union we understand that without that as the as the backstop
how do you sort it Well there are two or three ways you could sort it the best
way of fixing it is by a global agreement or a UK wide agreement with
the EU which has frictionless trade not just on the Northern Irish border but at
Dover and Felixstowe and Heathrow as well the way you could do that is by
agreeing that we'll have equivalent broadly equivalent product standards and
service standards so we could continue to trade and there'd be an independent third
body not the European Court of Justice that would adudicate and in relation to
customs you would have customs declarations done at a point of dispatch
and the point of receipt not at the border with reporting and maybe some
number plate recognition to check which vehicles are moving to do a
reconciliation that's all entirely possible I hope and I think I expect as
well for the reasons I mentioned that that will be the shape of the free trade
deal done by October so that takes care of Northern Ireland and in fact takes
care of the rest of the UK as well that's the best solution for us and for
the European Union Okay Liz Saville Roberts do you think it can be done relation to
Northern Ireland in that form? I've been talking to Irish TDs, Irish MPs this
week they told Welsh Affairs Select Committee
quite clearly there's any visible berry of any sort on the border between the
North and the South in Ireland that will in itself become a target for terrorism
simply quite simply this is the most straightforward way of maintaining
frictionless trade between the north and the south and between the rest of the UK
and Europe is to remain in the customs union and the single market everything
else creates problems But Chris Philp you seem to be describing and correct me if
I'm wrong here a customs union that really is the
customs union it's just not called the customs you Well not quite because under
the scenario I'm describing although they'd be frictionless trade at the
border we could still set separate tariffs and do separate agreements with
third countries that's the critical difference but it would be frictionless
But any of their goods that come in to the UK to be re-exported have to coincide
with the EU rules and regulations Well if they were to be if we had a European
good coming into the UK hopefully we can agree tariff free trade on goods so
there'd be no tariffs coming in when we exported it that would be a matter
between us and the third country the more complicated situation is where we import
goods and if we imported a good we and it then got sent on to Europe we'd have
to make sure that the European tariff was charged upon entry and if you if it's
even more complicated when you're assembling something like a car and the
components come from different places you've then gotta track the rules of
origin can be done Let's lastly look at some of the politics of it all and
what's the Plaid Cymru view? We heard from the shadow foreign secretary Emily
Thornberry seemingly saying that Labour would potentially support a decent
brexit deal you're foursquare set against it? Our standpoint that the best for Wales and also for Northern Ireland interestingly
is to remain in the customs union and the single market permanently the
alternative even if only Northern Ireland remains in it is that the hard
border then moves to Wales and to Holly Head and that in itself will have a real
impact on some of our very deprived communities who are dependent upon that
for their economy so as per our interest the nature of our economy the nature of
my constituency here with its food production the best for us is real
frictionless trade not jumping through hoops with words but actual real customs union I just wanted to get to
lastly this point I mean do you think you're gonna get a meaningful vote that
you could actually vote it all down all being negotiated if you don't like it
you can get rid of it well I'm very concerned that if we could go to a
meaningful vote in the autumn there won't even be a trade deal in place for us to
have a meaningful vote on and in all honesty that the time does come when we
begin to talk about extending article 50 because the only thing that we are
certain of at the moment is that we are third country we are
by the 30th of March okay well you've opened a whole new front here Chris Philp
we're extending article 50? Well that's that's not gonna happen we've got a
transition period running to December 2020 there will be a meaningful vote
it's in primary legislation so we will get a vote it is important actually as
Liz says that we do have clarity on that free trade deal by October November this
year so we know what we're voting for and ideally we somehow link it in to the
withdrawal agreement that we're going to have to sign but on this point about
staying in the customs union in the single market. That is not what Welsh voters voted for and if
you stay in the single market we're gonna stay with the Common Fisheries
policy which Liz has just spent five minutes complaining
about. Well one thing you agree on is there's an awful lot to do Chris Philp thank you.
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