well good evening in welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight if we've learned
anything over the last year it's that it's pretty hard to accomplish things in
Washington the Republicans control the White House and the Congress and yet
after a full year no wall has been built and Obamacare is still there for our
federal judges are part of the problem with that lots of executive orders have
been shot down with bogus rulings but the core problem is a structural one the
president is not an emperor no president is but that has not stopped
mass delusions on the left that he is infected dictator at an event yesterday
Hillary Clinton suggested that President Trump is on the verge of taking over
this country somehow and destroying the Constitution watch this as someone who
grew up in Vienna and barely escaped the Holocaust my mother would say from time
to time that it could happen here what are your concerns about the stability of
our democratic institutions and structures in these tumultuous moments I
worry about the degradation of institutions I'm more worried about
whether our Constitution is going to be honored so I'm hoping that the worst the
kind of question you ask me Ruth is just never even approached we never get to
that but it will require people turning up and voting in these midterm elections
really worried about the Constitution is we try to would invalidate the first two
amendments to the Bill of Rights right there it is though he's a dictator and
that's not a novel take on the left calling Trump a dictator or something of
a religious ritual now actually we have a president with a strong authoritarian
personality and what frightens me is not only his respect and adoration for
tyrants all over the world but his disrespect for democracy in our own
country we're getting more North Korea and every day in this country
there is nothing American about what Donald Trump did in Pennsylvania he goes
out there and whips up like it's a Mussolini rally yes that's what I said I
say they must call for his impeachment some people are saying that well will
will vote in Bradley 20 we cannot stand that we cannot wait for that it is too
dangerous who put all the dumb people
somehow despite being a dictator people feel perfectly free to criticize the
president in public too massive cheers nobody notices the irony
Ethan Berman is a California radio host and a frequent guest on our show we're
glad to have him always he joins us tonight
even thanks for coming on so I guess if you were a dictator you'd the first
thing you'd want to do is take away people's right to say what they think
and then take away the right to defend themselves the first two amendments to
the Bill of Rights is Trump doing oh wait no I'm sorry his opponents are
working on that on invalidating and then repealing those amendments
so maybe this is transference I'm guessing well I think the issue here
though is he opened his campaign out like in a very authoritarian way let's
call somebody else a bad name Mexicans are rapists right so let's point out
what is wrong with other people focus on a Muslim ban we can't allow them into
the country that is an authoritarian move or reaching to the other pointing
to them and reaching into our dark places I don't like that any bit by the
way on the First Amendment side he wants to strengthen defamation laws to make it
easier to smoke a business but in real life I would say the the phrases you
describe would fall under the heading of rudeness being impolite look I'm not
gonna defend that I think you should I'm gonna biscuit Ally and I believe in
politeness okay but let's be real dictators do two things one they try to
narrow the range of acceptable opinion and they punish people who fall outside
of it that is the left doing that not the right pardon me that's true and two
they take away people's right to defend themselves they they they double down on
their monopoly on the use of force they're the only ones with guns and the
left is doing that too so how Trump maybe a lot of things you don't like him
I get it but the authoritarian tendencies are on the left do you not
see that no I mean well some on the extreme left I would actually agree with
you on but no absolutely not look anti-jewish crimes according the ADL
went up 57% here in the United States last year under Trump's watch in 2017
and rate and a number that hasn't been seen
in a very long time this is an alarming trait that we've been seeing I wonder I
wonder when that's coming from though I mean I know that you're sort of at the
vanguard of calling for increased Muslim immigration into the country taking a
look across the ocean at Europe where crimes against Jews anti-semitic crime
has risen dramatically in st. Paris is that being led by right-wingers or is it
being led by Muslim immigrants oh you don't think any of the extreme
right-wing nationalists in places like Germany and France have anything to do
with any of that but let's be real asking anybody able to talk to any
Israeli who recently moved from France I don't think they're mad at marine lepen
they're really upset about Muslim emigration because the anti-semitism is
coming from Muslims so given that we know that it's kind of beyond debate why
would you as someone who's concerned about that be calling for more Muslim
immigration here I haven't specifically called for more
Muslim immigration what I have called for is a continuance of our legal
immigration programs and embracing those that are who are already here Tucker I
think it's important to include and involve people in our communities and
not set them apart and make them into the other which appeals to the Union
shadow which is bad we don't need to appeal to the darnell I'm opposed to the
Union shadow I am but I'm also opposed to Freudian projection since we're
getting deep into German psychiatrists and I just think it's very striking that
if you're concerned about government overreach and the election of a dictator
and I actually am concerned about that I think all good Americans are the framers
were concerned about it that's why they wrote the Constitution the way they did
then you ought to be terrified of anybody who attacks your freedom to say
what you think is true and what I find such a thing is how nobody on the Left
ever says anything as universities kick kids out punish people for having
divergent points of view don't allow speakers to say what they think like
that's fascist stuff why doesn't anybody ever mention that well two things one
next time you're in San Francisco listen to my show or you can listen online
Tucker I actually talked about that I don't appreciate shutting down Friesland
I think it's very important that you and I have these conversations we must and a
democracy having the affair exchange of ideas however there are some thoughts
and ideas that don't deserve to be aired and you and I have a
tendency to choose now and so you don't have the right so everything's cool
unless people disagree oh you punish them oh well sure but you're not well
then what I'm saying is the left is punishing people for saying what they
think is true now not everyone agrees with everyone else's opinion like to
have free speech you have to tolerate the views of people you disagree with in
the left no longer does you don't see that as authoritarian no I do not agree
with you that the left no longer does I think that is a very small fringe
element that tries to shut it down I think Google Facebook Twitter biggest
companies in America bleeding boycotts against people whose opinions you don't
like you don't you don't see this is troubling any time that we shut down
free speech in an open and public place I'm absolutely on your side on that one
organizations have a place to keep a workplace friendly and open to all
people and if you're offending your person sitting next to you
that is something that HR has to deal with because that's where speech goes to
die HR of course thank you so much good luck with your a charter for fabulous
Hansen far deeper man than eyes a senior fellow with the Hoover Institution and
professor of classics emeritus at Cal State Fresno and he joins us tonight
professor you spent a lot of time studying dictatorships and how they take
power from the people and hold it to themselves and basically do it they will
despite a popular sentiment what are the things that dictatorships do first to
prepare the way for totalitarian rule one of the things that Hillary Clinton
said in that speech is they destroy trust and transparency and that was
quite ironic because she was introduced to the national scene in her late 30s by
parle ting part lane and $1,000 investment in cattle futures into a one
hundred thousand dollar investment which was a mockery of the whole transparent
idea of investment and it was for trillions of won odds and then she
didn't pay taxes fast-forward 40 years through you know travelgate filegate
the rose law firm records uranium one the email they all have one constant a
common denominator Tucker and that's a lack of transparency and a feeling that
she's exempt from the equal application of the law so it's kind of I don't know
whether to laugh or cry but one of the ironies when she gave that speech she
got $25,000 had she given that two years ago or four years ago she would have had
a hundred times that amount as with her husband because they had something that
people wanted that was influenced to buy and so now she doesn't have it and she's
sort of bitter and she's shrill and she's angry but she's engaged in
projection where she's fobbing off the perceived sins of herself on to others
and you know this is you made a good point because every time a Republican is
in power he's a Nazi or brown shirt when George W Bush was there in 2006 if you
remember Al Gore George Soros Garrison Keillor Linda Ronstadt he was a fascist
brown shirt we had a movie about how to kill him we had a novel checkpoint and
then suddenly he's out he doesn't have the reins of power anymore and he's a
sober injudicious never Trumper but now donald trump has inherited the same role
we have the same documentary about killing him we have an op-ed about John
Wilkes Booth again we have the Nazi slur and it's all based on the premise that
exulted so-called noble means just a fighting noble ends justify any means of
obtaining them and it's it's again and again and again and I'm not worried
about Donald Trump until he weaponized is the IRS and the manner of Lois Lerner
under the Obama administration or that if Mike Pompeo had 30,000 emails and he
was he was destroying and I'd be really worried that Secretary of State or if HR
McMaster had ordered surveillance beyond masks and leaked and from the NSC are
they warped at the Trump administration was trying to work the FISA courts with
an anti Hillary hit piece I'd be worried but so far it's been on the other side
yeah that would be worrisome say it too if they ever do that I hope are too I
think you would be I knew you would be professor thanks for joining us I
appreciate it thank you for having me
that news for you the wife of pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen has been
acquitted on criminal charges stemming from the massacre Noor Salman was
charged with obstruction of justice and providing material support to terrorism
a jury who's not convinced of that that acquittal comes just after a revelation
that the FBI used matine's father as a confidential source and then covered up
that effect lied about it after the shooting we're gonna learn more about
that story in the course we'll bring it to you as we do face book very bad week
for face book now things are getting worse the company may have given illegal
assistance to Barack Obama's 2012 campaign doesn't sound like them does it
well investigate live from Washington on Good Friday
well we learned this week that CNN executives are assiduous viewers of this
show and of course we're flattered we know that because CNN has announced that
actually it may not be a good idea to support foreign dictatorships last week
we told you about CNN türk that's a channel in Turkey
CNN franchise that has four years repeated the political talking points of
turkey's authoritarian anti-american Islamist government mr. Dewan in the
picture right behind me well now in a deal worth more than 900 million dollars
a major stake in seen in Turk is about to be sold to a conglomerate whose head
has literally referred to Iran as his boss CNN and Iran in business together
well now in a rare fit of conscience seen and says it may reconsider its
association with anti-american foreign autocrats
since they've been caught in a statement to Fox the network said this quote we
will be meeting with the new owners in due course to discuss the implications
of the sale if following those conversations we have any reason
whatsoever to believe that journalistic integrity of the channel could be
compromised by the new owners will revoke the license is funny since CNN
türk for years has been carrying water for the erdowan government even as it
beat and killed protesters in the streets cNN has been carrying its water
showing at one point a penguin documentary rather than the repressive
crackdown by the Turkish secret police anyway we're glad seeing that as
watching the show we welcome this development and in the future of course
we encourage CNN to care about journalistic integrity
even before they're called out for backing dictators
well Facebook's disastrous week is continuing to get even worse thanks to
yet another scandal in 2012 it turns out the company handed over user data to
Barack Obama's presidential campaign and in doing so may have violated the law
Fox News 24-7 headlines anchor Brett Larson has more on that Brett what do
you know hey Tucker yeah not a good week to be Facebook basically what we're
finding out today is there's reports that in 2012 they may have just given
user data to the Barack Obama campaign there were reports in the Daily Mail
that the former person who ran the Facebook campaign for Barack Obama the
social media for him that someone at Facebook said we're giving this to you
because we agree with you of course giving them that information for free
would be a violation of the federal campaign finance laws because that would
be a violation of rather direct or indirect giving of they're basically
giving a campaign donation in that situation and you can't do that in
federal elections so both for the President and for Congress then we're
also learning today that Hillary Clinton's name coming up once again now
connected to all the problems with Facebook that the app she was using
during the 2016 campaign and they were encouraging people to connect with their
friends but they may have been going through your contacts list and doing
that illegally and taking the data of their users to encourage people to vote
for Hillary Clinton to try and find people that they could persuade to be
story that we've been following for the past couple of weeks with the 50 million
users and the data that was taken from them and then this very I think damning
piece of information BuzzFeed's reporting on this a former Facebook
executive saying something about what their site does and how they connect
people and he in part says about Facebook anything that allows us to
connect more people more often is de facto good despite the fact that they
had concerns that doing this could even allow someone to coordinate a terrorist
attack or even expose someone to bullying so Tucker it is a bad week to
be Facebook yeah and it should be and I'm glad that other people are paying
attention to this now not just us Brett thank you for that
like sucker hands von Spakovsky is a former member of the Federal Election
Commission he's a senior legal fellow with the Heritage Foundation in
Washington he joins us thanks for coming on sure so if it turns out that the
Obama campaign received this data that would be an in-kind contribution correct
it is because it's very valuable data and in fact the former media director
for the Obama campaign said that Facebook actually came to their offices
and said well we don't normally give this data out but we're gonna let you
have it because we favor your campaign that turns it into potentially an
illegal corporate contribution how would that not be illegal
how would that not be a crime well you know if if they made this data available
to anybody who wants it well then of course any campaign could get it but the
fact that they specifically had rules against this does make it an in-kind
contribution contrast this with what they did with Cambridge analytical
remember Cambridge analytical when they found out about this they went to
Cambridge analytic and said you need to destroy this data you're not supposed to
have it and that shit tells you that in the one case they let the campaign have
it in another case they were saying well no you're not supposed to have this data
so Facebook but also Google and Twitter and Apple the big tech companies can
easily throw an election and we wouldn't know it and so we should be terrified of
this I don't think we're terrified enough but what is the US Congress what
are the appropriate agencies in the executive branch doing to make sure that
these huge companies who have more power than any companies have ever had in
human history our remaining transparent I mean we're certain this is not
happening what are they doing to reassure us of that well for example in
the case of the Obama campaign potentially getting a corporate
contribution which is illegal that ought to be investigated by the Federal
Election Commission where I used to be a commissioner because it's a potential
violation is it a law no idea whether they are going to open up investigation
potentially also the US Justice Department could investigate it because
if it was an intentional and knowing violation of the law that takes it from
being a civil violation to a criminal violation so both of those federal
agencies have jurisdiction over this so far no one has
said at any of those agencies that they're gonna open up an investigation
that's what they ought to do though yeah oh yeah well if you have lunch none of
your friends encourage them ok well that thank you very much Facebook is the only
company with a big political effect and politics isn't the only way tech is
hurting America not by far next week we're spending all week on a
special series on what big tech is doing to you your children our culture this
country our politics it's changing all of those things and we
should know how and we're gonna tell you how well the media utterly scandalized
when anonymous report suggested that the interior secretary Ryan's Enki may care
more about competence than about diversity did he commit a sin in hiring
on the basis of ability what's in will tell you next well members president
Trump's administration have been accused of all manner of things from domestic
abuse to spying for the Russians but here's an amazing one interior secretary
Ryan's inky former seal accused of the worst sin of all not loving diversity
enough a breaking report this week by CNN accusing ki of seeking to hire the
best people for jobs at the Interior Department without regard to their
appearance that was the chyron Zinke angers by hiring the best very offensive
the report was denied of course by sinky but the Left still reacted with horror
Kristin Clark is president and executive director of the lawyers Committee for
civil rights under law and she joins us now person thanks for coming on thanks
for having me so I know I can't speak for anyone else
but when I saw that CNN report that Ryan's Inc he was daring to hire the
best people I thought what is this country coming to
you know hiring people on the basis of relevant criteria like experience or
skill commitment I mean that's just wrong and I think you would agree with
that no we want people who are qualified and experienced especially at the helm
of our nation's most important federal agencies but we also need to make sure
that those agencies reflect the growing diversity of our country and I'm not
just talking about racial diversity I'm talking about gender diversity and
ethnic versity and at every turn with this
administration we've seen efforts to turn the clock back
we know that diversity is not a priority for this administration whether we're
talking about cabinet level appointments or judicial appointments this
administration is one that has not placed a premium on diversity what do
you think of the NFL well they like the NFL that's a totally different context
it is I didn't know whatever segments if it is do the same standards apply there
I mean why do they get a pass from that no this isn't real question why do they
get a pass on the diversity thing in the NFL is there a reason well when we look
at the coaching ranks there's a lot of work to do no tears no no sort of maybe
the represented great I'm on your side but but the players it's all male its
disproportionately african-american does that bother you the NFL is a sport so
I'm not Sam ale sport so I'm not surprised that it's all male but does it
bother you why do they get a pass from the normals okay because their point is
like we hire the best and actually I think the NFL really doesn't care what
color you are I mean they just want the best players and is that offensive when
you watch it are you thinking I can't watch this they're not following the
diversity rules what really bothers me it's my taxpayer dollars your taxpayer
dollars going to support federal agencies that don't reflect the
diversity of our country Tucker I want to fly out an airplane I mean do you
think that Airlines should apply the same diversity rules you're calling for
here that they shouldn't take the people who score the highest on the pilot tests
but that they should hire also on appearance the way people look every
workplace whether you're talking shop ilex to heart surgeons to federal
agencies should hire the best but should place the premium on diversity and the
way that you look or what you do what you're capable of doing so like when
you're flying a plane how important is it what you look like you're ignorant
ratably important and it's all services that we have working it's also important
that we place a premium on diversity and the fact that we have university means
it appearances it means what you look like
Chuck you know the shallowest possible criterion it's it's your it's your
literally your shade that's what you're saying well why is that more important
than Talent you know what matters Tucker it
matters is that you're white daughters and that my black son can turn on that
TV and see an administration that reflects the diversity of our country
gender diversity racial diversity ethnic diversity what matters that means the
Gus train is run by competent people and if they're all Pacific Islanders I don't
care where they're from I don't care what they look like as I don't think
that what you look like is the most important thing cuz I'm not shallow
President Trump well you're arguing that it is I'm wondering comes a point T's
have been virtually all white and all male and we haven't seen anything this
remarkable since the Reagan years and I mean you're just not getting anywhere
with me because if you can argue that one of them is doing a bad job I'll
agree with you and not actually I think some of them are not that impressive
I'll be completely blunt with you but I have nothing to bring with with what
they look like because again I'm not a shallow person I don't judge people on
their appearance just as I don't judge books on their covers I try to get a
little deeper than that and I'm wondering why as a society we've decided
the shallowest possible measure is the most important do you ever stop and ask
yourself that diversity is one among a number of factors taking into account
when it appoints cabinet-level positions all the way down we want a federal
government that reflects the diversity of our but I wonder but especially you
did I just want to be totally clear if you mean like diversity of skills I'm
totally with you but when you're a little did you ever think you'd be
arguing to judge people primarily on how they look you know I'm talking about
gender diversity I'm talking about racial diversity Tucker okay from
judicial nominees have been white male Knight knows nothing about how federal
courts operate that's a problem look I'm with you there you should ever hire
incompetent people I don't care what they look like no one competent people
I'm with you Kristin thank you thanks for having to see you good to see you
secretaries Inc he is still employed for the time being but another member of the
administration was not so fortunate a former Trump speech writer says his
life was destroyed by the media had a shred of evidence against him he
joins us with his story
in the past two years the media have adopted a new principle if someone is
connected to the current administration that person can be targeted for
destruction for any reason or no reason at all and it's all virtuous because the
president is evil well until last month David Sorenson was a speechwriter in the
White House and then the Washington Post accused him of domestic violence now why
did they do this because of the word of his ex-wife Sorensen lost his job he
says the post had no evidence that he ever did anything wrong the post had no
court records no police report no evidence no pictures nothing and now his
life has been destroyed David Sorenson joins us tonight with his story David I
want to say at the outset that we've never met I've never spoken to you in my
life before this I don't know anything about your marriage I don't even know
your ex-wife's name but what struck me about this story normally I would never
get involved inning like this because I know that these things would tend to be
really complicated but what struck me about this story was you say the post
had literally no evidence no actual evidence you've done anything wrong
that's right Tucker and first of all these accusations are completely false
and fabricated I've never been violent in any way toward any woman in my entire
life the very thought of is disgusting to me it's not the way it was raised the
put the post nonetheless and their ongoing war against President Trump
decided to publish a story based on my ex-wife's word alone that I was
physically violent during our marriage and they had no evidence I've never had
a police report against me for violence I've never had a restraining order
against me and the three of her friends even came
out people I hadn't spoken with in years and said that she was has a history of
instability and dishonesty and that they shouldn't believe her in that they
actually witnessed her being violent against me it's just like was she
violent against you she was actually and I sent the post in
every other media outlet that asked a 13 page document as soon as I was accused
full of text message and photo evidence documenting her violence against me she
never brought this up in our divorce a divorce which I initiated by the way
there's there simply nothing but our word to go on and it's really shameful
in the post part but you say you documentary' evidence that she was the
perpetrator of violence did the post run that evidence not that I'm aware of no
not that I recall they said that I alleged it she actually admitted to it
she admitted to it in text messages and she admitted to it and in subsequent
interviews with the media I actually had a reporter one time during all of this
and by the way I spoke to every reporter I could I was very transparent and I had
a reporter say to me what no acknowledging that she was violent
toward me and that that was an established fact say well you know we
heard that you said some pretty nasty things during your marital fights and I
couldn't imagine a reporter saying the same thing to a woman who's whose
husband hadn't had admittedly been violent to order what was the name of
the planet which reporter was that who said that this was from a local TV
station up in Maine where I'm where I was working before my job that's pretty
shocking so I guess the obvious question is if there if your wife ex-wife
admitted using violence against you and there's evidence that she did your deny
that you use violence against her there's no evidence that you did why did
you lose your job well because I worked for President Trump in the White House
that's that's all there is to it I don't think it's even in question whether that
story would have run if I didn't work there and in President Trump thank God
for him at least his is calling out the media for their ongoing bias like few
people are but you know on top of all that Tucker from my part I passed a
polygraph exam proving my innocence the sitting governor of a state my former
boss Governor LePage of Maine offered me my job back he had that much faith in me
virtually everybody we both knew came out publicly and said we don't believe
her and they had total faith in me it's just it's just it's more one-sided thing
well it certainly are well Ian and I think you're probably not alone in this
this is the first time we've dug down in one of these stories in what you find is
pretty upsetting David thank you for telling us your story I appreciate it
Thank You Tucker well the left is pushing hard for a ban on assault
weapons whatever those are we still haven't really decided
but how will that ban work exactly and will it keep anybody safe well ask
someone who supports it next
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