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I am the moderator Shimosaka Miori.
Today is the 10th game of the 2nd round.
In A block. Today's game is between Hane Naoki and Xie Yimin.
Please enjoy.
After the nigiri, Female Meijin Xie Yimin will go first.
Komi is set to 6.5 points. Each player must make their move within 30 seconds.
Each player is given 10 periods of 1 minute for thinking time.
Have a good game.
Black: Xie Yimin Female Meijin.
Born in Taiwan.
25 years old.
Studied under Ko Mousei.
Please for the Nihon Kiin in Tokyo.
She beat Arakaki Shun 9 dan in the first round and is now in the second.
White: Hane Naoki 9 dan.
From Miei prefecture.
38 years old.
Studied under Hane Yasumasa.
Plays for the central Nihon Kiin.
He's played in the NHK tournament for 18 years, this is his 19th time participating.
Now to introduce our commentator.
Yamashiro Hiroshi 9 dan.
Thank you for being here. Glad to be here.
Please tell us what will be the highlight of today's match.
Female Meijin Xie is going first.
Xie likes to attack. We'll see how Hane deals with that.
A match between an aggressive player and a player who can skillfully defend.
Now let's get to the game.
They're playing a standard sequence in the upper left.
What do you think of the game so far?
I think Xie plays this kind of opening a lot.
If this were on the star point then she'd approach or enclose or something over here.
Since this is on the 3-4 point you can enclose. Well..
You could also play the avalanche.
This is pretty even
White pulled back.
Now, she played the large knight's move.
Now, let's take a look at the players.
White played the large knight's move approach.
It's a slower paced move. It won't turn into a fierce battle.
If you played the one space approach then of course there is the pincer, but the large knight's move approach avoids a fight.
The standard sequences that arise from it are easy to understand as well
So you have a choice of the kosumi, attacking, or pincering.
In the game she chose to protect the corner.
What happens when you pincer?
White attaches at the 3,3 point.
Then there will be a crosscut.
Even then, the variations aren't difficult.
The large knight's move approach is the easiest way to play.
Two space extension.
Recently more people play on the star point when they extend.
This is kind of refreshing.
The two space extension is a classic move.
It feels like they're playing in the olden days.
Black will pincer the group.
But the board has so many large areas.
She'll pincer it from both sides.
She'll keep up the attack.
She's using her time.
I'd play this without thinking.
Recently, no one plays this.
This is more common.
Black plays here and White jumps.
This is the modern style.
Maybe because this isn't played often anymore she is using her thinking time.
If White plays here then White's shape is safe.
This enclosure works if you go here.
They link up nicely.
These two stones are squeezing White.
White needs to think about how he'll respond.
He needs to think about how his opponent would play to come up with his own moves.
Does White have to defend?
Not necessarily.
He'll get attacked.
Maybe a one space jump.
Jump closer to the side where he was pincered...
White has quite the quandary.
What will be White's strategy?
She played elsewhere.
Well, it's simple.
Now that she's played elsewhere...
You wonder when Black will attack.
Black has pincered White's two space extension. What will he play next?
He'll play something.
No one plays this nowadays so he may be searching for his next move.
Play elsewhere.
So he's going to wait and see what happens.
Will White protect? Pincer?
More people play the knight's move.
She played the one space jump instead.
She said earlier that she doesn't like the one space jump.
She said she liked defending the corner with a knight's move.
Unusual for her.
Since she has two stones that are pincered on the side, she played it based on how she felt.
She did it unconsciously.
Hane is a player that takes territory and then survives with a weak group.
Well, I don't get the feeling he is a territorial player.
I see. He's good at handling weak groups.
He doesn't like to be on the attack.
He likes to survive with his groups.
He has a tendency to get ahead on territory and then ride it out till the end.
Hane seems different today. We'll have to see how he plays.
It feels like he's playing very assertively today.
So how does White respond to Black extending in the upper left? Extend?
I think that most people would defend there..
That's true, but right now he doesn't want to play that.
Black extends here.
This stone is better here. This area is open.
Black gets to settle nicely by getting this extension.
This move has to do with the ladder.
By ladder, do you mean when Black ataris here?
Like this, White can come out and fight.
Hane.
I think this works....
It works.
So here White pushes and then cuts.
Don't give Black a chance to extend.
This would be just what White wants.
This move starts to get things moving...and then now they can fight with both sides in mind.
Black has a lot to do.
You worry about that part of the board and here too. There's a lot going on.
How will White fight through it.
Push here.
Now that we've played here Black has to extend now.
Black cannot hane?
He can't.
Like this. Turn and then White comes back.
Black feels heavy. Not a lot of space.
Now about the hane.
Now Black cannot run away.
He'll throw away these two stones.
He's split these two groups apart, so she'll take sente.
Pincer or push?
Pincer?
White's lost a lot here.
Those stones are captured.
This is playable for Black.
In the game, he extended along the bottom side.
Letting Black play there feels good for her.
Both of them are playing elsewhere.
He played it.
Black had moves to make herself thick there.
By playing on the same spot?
The ladder is bad for Black.
So come out like this.
Now jump.
This is a fine move.
He might play over here.
This is good too.
It also might be worth it to play here.
You can seal White in. If he pushes out then just cover.
Playing over here White can feel satisfied.
So they'll play out the sequence from earlier. White feels like things have gone according to plan.
Black does get some thickness with those outside stones, but it's hard to find a way to attack.
On the right?
That is Meijin Xie's specialty, attacking.
I look forward to see how she'll go on the offensive.
Black could push here.
White could also play here.
Capturing this stone is not really big.
White's eyespace is open underneath.
Even if Black plays this...
This doesn't feel like White is really being attacked.
The moves here would be here or here.
Hard to find a good move.
She could play here.
This splits the group.
In the game, she invaded.
This area here isn't that big?
The attachment is a bit...
It might feel small.
Black takes away White's eyes and then she keeps on attacking.
She's trying to make it so these groups cannot connect.
Split them apart.
He attached.
I feel that she should attach above where White just attached instead of connecting under. I feel it would apply more pressure.
So you mean one space above where White just attached?
On the fifth line.
Peeping from above.
She's taking away one group's eyespace and then attacking both groups
Hane's ability to survive with groups is wonderful.
This suits his style.
I feel White can sabaki.
But how will he?
Xie has two titles currently: Meijin and Kisei.
She's 25 years old.
She took a title at 17 years old.
She was really a go getter.
These two have played each other before in the semifinals.
Yes. 3 years ago in the NHK quarterfinals.
It was the first time Xie made it into the "Best 8."
She played Hane 9 dan.
She lost right?
Yes. Hane 9 dan won that game.
Now, we'll see about this game.
There are two female players who have made it into the Best 8.
Meijin Xie and Honinbo Mukai Chiaki.
Wow, the made it into the Best 8.
They beat male players.
They had to beat some very tough opponents.
The question for White is how to make sabaki or run away.
These stones and these stones really want to connect up.
But trying to connect them up directly isn't good.
Black will get in the way and then counterattack.
This is really tough for White.
White is cut.
You have to try and play as far away as possible.
This move feels about right.
Playing further away, like here.
Because if this gets cut it doesn't have any effect elsewhere...
If you play too close then Black will get in the way and attack.
Neither of these moves are good.
However, you really want to connect quickly.
You might jump the gun.
You could also attach...
Like this. White is connected.
Here...how to put it?
This should be kept for later.
He's trying to connect the two groups by playing closely.
Ahh he did?
I just said this wouldn't work.
He's trying to connect.
He thinks he can fight.
Now he plays this, and then this.
These stones are connected now.
This can cut.
White can attach here, so like this...
Now Black is in danger.
When White attaches.
He might die.
White is connected once he takes this stone.
Black can't save that stone.
This seems like it cuts.
If Black pushes, then White plays this.
If White connects then that's a great success for White.
White can't push and cut.
Black extends.
White has a lot to do.
If White plays here then Black connects.
Black will still go for the cut.
In the game, she pushed.
He pulled back.
I was totally off.
He's aiming at attaching in the lower right.
I never thought White would get attacked like this.
Well Hane 9 dan thinks differently..
I didn't think that point was important.
So Black should continue to split?
If Black keeps pushing then White can attach like I showed you before.
If Black wants to cut she plays here, but this seems slow.
Like this the cut is a bit dangerous.
Tough to play like this.
This move looks like it's really awesome.
Meijin Xie probably didn't expect this.
Black succeeded in cutting.
This seems to be more towards her strength. What will they play next?
This situation suits her.
Hane isalso in his element.
They both are satisfied.
I always think of Hane as a calm player.
He's calm, but he has his moments.
He always plays calmly.
He isn't fazed, no matter the circumstance.
Even if he's playing in a title match or just a regular league game.
He doesn't change.
That quality has to be very important when you're in a big fight.
What do you think so far?
I don't think Black is happy.
It feels like White is the one who is attacking.
So Black is naturally getting out into the center?
If she plays normally.
Hopefully she can come out.
After Black hanes and White nobis, it's like White is saying "Go ahead, play the tiger's mouth."
Here.
This is a forcing move.
White comes out.
These stones are on dame points.
White is also stronger.
I think this is better.
White should defend with something?
Extend again.
So keep pushing?
Peep here.
These stones are alive so this cut isn't anything.
Black isn't scared of that.
I see.
These are really great moves.
I didn't see them.
She has to keep her shape somehow.
Normally the tiger's mouth is a good shape.
However, in this game, it's slack.
So the tiger's mouth isn't good..
If you're going to play in that area, you push.
White can play here to get out. Might be hard though.
This feels good with these two moves.
If White tries to escape, Black keeps pushing.
Black got out before White.
If White plays from this side...
This?
White is solid. Now he doesn't have to run, he can play here.
White can play here.
White is alive.
White's territory here is good and he gets to turn here.
This way no need to just come out.
These stones look like they can live.
I really thought she'd just push.
Is White going to come out or survive?
So it's about whether or not after White pushes and Black plays here, if this move lives.
Will Black just block from the outside?
Black will be broken if you play this.
You play the one space jump here. Now White has these stones, and this move looks strange now.
White might turn before attaching.
He gets sealed in though.
He might get sealed in and then Black might counter attack.
The solid move is to just attach and live.
Black might use this move to push here since it's a big point.
I was totally wrong.
He came out.
White wasn't satisfied just settling the group.
Black looks good.
So the main point will be White's group on the right?
Black also has the upper right corner and potential at the top.
So Black wants to expand the right?
She's trying to gain territory there while attacking.
White just haned.
This means that he thinks the cut is okay for White.
This is what you worry about.
This is no good.
Black just keeps running and this stone is hurt.
Painful.
Let's say White comes this way.
Let's start from the other way.
From here?
You can take like this.
If Black connects.
Does this work?
Trying to encircle these?
How about this?
This captures.
If Black extends White captures.
This is okay. Even if Black takes these stones he still doesn't have two eyes.
Well...as expected..
Xie cut.
I see.
That means if White throws in from here Black will take.
White might cut here.
This is actually tough.
Is there only one way to play this sequence?
She might not play this.
Here...
This is alive...unlike before.
It was like this before.
This is a big difference.
If he plays elsewhere.
It's alive.
Connecting and making an eye are miai.
This might die...
It has just one eye.
What the...?
So in the game in response to the cut, Black connect on the right.
I thought she'd capture this stone.
She connected, so she's really going for it.
She won't let him off easy.
White ataris.
Who's reading is better?
How will this turn out?
So far this is a one way street.
You said that she would extend here.
After these moves she would get captured otherwise.
She has to extend.
Come out.
That isn't alive.
If she plays something like this.
Something like this.
Connect here.
If White captures.
This would be pretty severe.
White captures here right.
Now connect.
Taking an eye, and then...
Just connect.
Now if White plays elsewhere.
Dead.
This would live, but you lose these stones.
Quite damaging.
That'd be bad.
This is basically the shape we talked about.
The variation I showed you was good for Black.
What about this?
I thought this connected but...
Black can't play here.
This is bad.
Even if Black tries to run away.
Black can't connect.
Just pushing and cutting is severe.
That peep was good, so just cut immediately.
This move turns out totally different.
How about this?
The question is whether this cut works.
This is difficult.
If you connect he extends and you get captured...wait...
No good.
Atari first.
There are a lot of cutting points, however...
That's the end. White captues.
There are no ladders.
So atari, extend, then connect.
Connect here, connect there, now what?
This is really complicated.
A huge problem.
If White can't capture these then all this is dead.
Getting captured would be bad for Black too.
In the game Black played here.
Extending doesn't work.
White the peep Black can't be cut.
There's still this here.
This is the deciding battle.
The cut was really fierce.
It really started a fight.
You want to cut. But will he?
White will cut too?
I think he will.
I was totally off.
Black can use her forcing move by peeping.
Connecting would save those two stones.
They'd get captured.
He descended.
Push through now..
Calmly...
I just have this feeling...you know...
I saw this move.
This looks like it captures.
This is just my instinct but...
In the game, I feel it's bad.
Hane probably saw something I didn't.
His reading probably figured out what to do.
I thought why not cut here?
This is the most peaceful.
You have to spend time thinking about the atari vs. extending.
This is the peaceful way.
This move is big, but...
Black just connected.
Does this work?
Even if you destroy this eye he can play here.
Naturally White connects.
This is a forcing move.
It means you can probably come in this far.
Black's initial cut makes no sense now.
The bottom side was decided peacefully.
Black lost at the bottom.
This move is straightforward. He's running away with his stone.
This would be the vital point
Hane just honestly defended.
This is direct.
Looks like the fight will continue.
He extended, so yes.
It's going to spread across the board.
Perhaps we'll see Xie and her sharp moves somewhere in this fight.
How will she attack the middle?
White really is trying hard.
This is payback.
Atari, extend, then "Go ahead and make a tiger's mouth."
This is just like earlier.
Is the cut possible for Black?
Who knows?
The cut is something you can think about, more so than the first one. White's not alive.
Maybe you can think about cutting?
She connected.
She's trying to get everything.
Make the right side territory.
Aiming at attacking White.
So well he play similar to the shape before?
He has to play the tiger's mouth.
Right, play the tiger's mouth.
Knowing when to play it is difficult.
Same shape.
But now it will change from here on out.
Black has a cutting point to deal with.
She extended.
So should Black play something to cover the weakness of the cut?
You don't really want to play there.
Isn't Black kind of thin?
Yes she is.
White really isn't just trying to run away.
It feels like White is aiming at something.
An attack from both sides.
Yes.
White's aim is to play here.
Now cut.
If there is a stone here, you can't cut.
That's the reason why this stone was played.
She's trying to connect over here while defending.
Instead of just connecting like this, this move does more work.
Here... I see. Over here....then....
Can't take away the eye?
Why?
If Black plays this and White plays elsewhere.
Black takes the eye and White looks dead ... however...
Push through here.
Black can't connect.
Because of this move here, this move doesn't do much.
White is still aiming at this group.
The whole thing
Who's the one being attacked?
Who knows?
So they've just been attacking each other.
So should Black first try to break through?
That would be great.
Is she going to cap?
Will she cap the White stone that is a two space jump away from the other stone?
Instead...
This is more severe. She's trying to seal him in.
This is severe.
If Black can seal her in...
That'd be a great success for Black.
I don't think it will die, but living inside is painful.
He'll have to scratch and claw for eyes.
While all that happens Black will get stronger.
Can Black seal White in?
I don't think it'll be that simple.
Hane here.
Hane here. If she cuts..
This is bad for Black.
Black might play this instead of cutting.
If White plays here, then Black here.
If you extend then this. That is the first priority.
This feels great.
When White ataris...
Cut now?
In the game, she played here.
Here.
This is difficult.
Black is a bit thin.
There is some space between the two Black stones on the left. She's thin.
She's really working hard.
Maybe she should back off.
Maybe peep?
Maybe jump on the left..
Her expression says everything.
"This is just not going to work."
I was talking about this move...
There are a lot of weak points in this space here.
Over here and in here, so maybe first peep.
Or jump down.
See if you can do something here.
Just playing this directly is scary.
He just captures.
This might be a loss.
After that....hmm...maybe....
She's preparing for it.
Maybe it works.
Well now there's a possibility that she may double hane.
If she has the will to fight she might play it.
Will she?
I really want to see her do it.
There it is.
She has the will to fight.
Black definitely has something in mind.
He played on the weak spot.
Black may welcome this. This way Black solidifies her shape and the aji is gone.
What is White aiming for? Atekomi?
So remember earlier I showed you a move that got rid of one of White's eyes?
The descent to the second line?
The game might turn out that way.
Wait, there's no way that could happen.
No, it won't.
He pushed through.
This is fine.
I didn't notice this.
Now there's an atari.
So these stones are dead right?
Right, losing these two don't matter.
This is double atari but...
These stones are meaningless.
Just connect.
Black can't cut.
White connects this way, so Black can't cut.
Ahh there it is.
He saw this move.
Black could descend.
This would break the shape.
Who knows. He might go in.
There it is.
I was thinking about this move when she played this.
This move did its job, but this....
How are the two different?
The first way would be atari, this way, Black can cut.
White is captured.
This might be the right shape.
White can extend too.
It may have been better to connect.
This way there are problems later.
No helping it.
She played here.
Does he have to play here?
Just take
This is dead.
Well...will these simply die?
He extended.
Now that he's extended the game is different.
How so?
Maybe try and save the 7 stones?
So save those stones...
Not much time.
Now what will happen to those four White stones?
Taking them will be difficult.
Letting White get the 3,3 point would be bad.
Will she play on the 3,3 point then?
Descend or hane?
You want to hane to get rid of liberties.
How can White survive?
That is sente.
What do you mean by "This is sente?"
White can cut at the 3,3 point.
Will she attach with a kosumi?
After that, kngiht's move, and then...
White won't die.
But then it's Black's turn and then there's the right side.
Now onto the right.
What do you think of what happened at the bottom?
Hmm.....
Well, I guess there was no helping it. Black cut and then lost 7 stones.
She got something on the left, but that White group will live.
He played elsewhere.
What a place to play elsewhere.
Force her to respond.
I think so.
If White plays in this area, then he plays this.
Now White will get pummeled. How shall he deal with it?
Like this?
Black will attack this and make territory in this area around here.
This might be a good game.
What if White plays over here.
Then Black plays here.
These are dead.
But I really think that these stones are going to be under heavy attack.
This might make up for the loss over there..
Even sacrificing them isn't that big overall....
Well, this isn't going to happen.
Seems that way.
He sees everything.
Playing the shoulder hit like I showed earlier would've made this group stronger.
Seems he should block.
You got it.
White has one eye on the right.
He already has one.
White can attach right?
He can. Well, let's see if this works.
This forcing move works.
He just attached.
Maybe she'll come in here.
If she plays this forcing move...
Now he can't cut.
So what if White just extends and then Black cuts?
This area is very big.
How about this?
So counting this...
White would be leading according to the balance of territory.
White has it, yes.
She blocked.
Now Black has to connect.
Maybe not?
The atari would be 15... She connected.
When you said atari, which one were you referring to?
So instead of here play here..
Cut?
White will cut.
This cut....
Black is thin.
No helping it.
There isn't enough eye space here.
White doesn't have two eyes.
White needs one more eye.
Not backing off a bit.
How much danger is he in?
I never thought it would die.
White is really doing a good job saving everything.
So for example if he plays here...
He could play either. This seems to be enough.
It's hard finding a way to capture.
Hmm, a tsumego problem...
Something like this.
What about this one.
Like this it dies.
There's not enough space. However if White comes in here.
This is sente.
This looks dangerous. There's a cut here.
Doing something in here is really tough.
You'd lose territory as well.
Black is not trying to kill but rather trying to get as much as she can at the top.
Might be hard though.
Might not be enough territory.
Black wants to turn the top into territory, but she's worried about her weaknesses.
Knight's move from above now?
Is she thinking about capturing?
She has to atari.
If she's really behind on territory then it's possible that she'd try.
This is how that would go.
Now what?
So will she kosumi and try to take territory at the top?
That would be normal.
White should be alive.
Might be tricky.
He's being patient.
Black should be all done there.
That would be the normal move.
I don't think White will be captured, but...
It's all over if White just comes in here and lives.
White just needs to make one more eye.
There's one here.
Black has to try this.
It's still not clear though.
How will White live?
I feel White should add a move here.
But then how should he play from here on out?
She played these...so it has something to do with these cuts....
When White cuts.
Black can play this.
He can capture.
Black will be fine if White pushes in and cuts here.
White is still not totally alive.
He keeps going.
This erases territory.
Can Black just shut him in?
It might let White get moves to live.
Good move.
What do you mean?
Black made a mistake.
Black should have attached earlier. She made a mistake.
Black would attach...
Black had this move.
Even if White attaches he doesn't have an eye.
Like this, now you can play here.
You play this before you connect.
Now you can't play here.
You cut and then you connect under.
Now this stone is here rather than here. Now when White plays here...
White can make an eye.
If he blocks here then
Then he doesn't have an eye...maybe...
This leaves a lot of aji.
She should have played there.
She's trying to capture now.
Black might want to capture on the right.
Now that the top is Black's, let's see who's leading.
Black is behind.
White is ahead.
White really reduced Black's territory on the right.
So ataring this way means she wants to capture...
She might think it makes it easier to take away eyes.
If White lives then he wins.
It's alive.
Black is trying to capture now.
This is the deciding battle.
If she doesn't then she doesn't have enough territory.
Now the right side is one eye.
When White plays at the top Black has to block...
Plus the atekomi in the lower right is sente. It threatens the cut.
White has ways to live.
There it is.
He played there?
It is sente.
That would be a big exchange...
Right those stones would die.
This must be frustrating for Black. White turns...
He protected.
So White atarid those stones but didn't capture.
Was that good?
It didn't really change who was winning.
Black is going to play somewhere on top.
Maybe a large knight's move.
That seems about right.
This move is no big deal.
It's small? It doesn't affect the center.
So she'll take the center and then the top is all her territory.
That'd be a close game.
Right, there it is.
So if you look at the upper right where Black played the knight's move. If Black had played the move I talked about earlier...
If she hadn't gotten reduced...
It's a difference of about 5 points.
This is close.
With that, the top is basically Black's.
I don't think there's any aji anywhere.
Black did lose some territory in the middle.
Black is putting up a fight.
Is Black ahead?
There's a chance Black may be ahead?
Really?
The fighting is basically over with.
The monkey jump at the bottom is big.
The double atari in the middle too.
Now to figure out just how big the top will be.
I feel Black is still in it.
I'm just going off my gut.
It feels like Black really needs to do something.
It's close. Black could be behind a bit if she gets reduced too much.
But if that doesn't happen Black might have enough.
This move is huge.
Before that we have a few things to take care of.
Like this.
He'll cut here and force her to take here.
If you just take that's no good.
He's wondering which he should do.
White has to come back. So after doing all of these forcing moves.
He might play here first to force, then come back. This reduces a bit.
If Black plays over here.
This is huge.
The monkey jump.
The monkey jump is big.
He's saving the cut for later.
Will Black die if she's cut?
Black isn't clearly connected in the middle.
Adding one more move in there is huge.
This is really really close.
Who knows?
This game will be fought over in the endgame.
You want to hane here.
If she had time she'd consider this or extending.
When hane played it he made a loud sound.
Will she extend?
She's fighting back.
Who knows what happens now.
You can't capture.
If she can't capture then Black got reduced.
I had thought that White was clearly in the lead...
Yes, I wondered if he lived then would that mean he had won?
Meijin Xie is resilient.
She traded getting the center for letting White live on the right side.
She gained a bit.
Black might play in the upper left.
This is close.
Still a long hard battle.
This move works.
So just block here right?
After 265 moves Hane Naoki wins by 3.5 points.
You couldn't take your eyes off this match from beginning to end.
Where was the match decided?
She took the center and then White lived.
Then Black played at the top. I thought it was really close.
Hane took control in the endgame.
Here, Black should have attached.
It's about 5 points difference.
If everything went like this, then Black would clearly be in the lead.
They just kept fighting and fighting.
A game between Meijin Xie's attack and Hane's ability to defend.
Thank you for the commentary Yamashiro 9 dan.
Today "My Move" was move #52, the hane.
Here, I haned.
Black pushed out into the center and then jumped here. This is painful for White.
I thought my only chance would be to hane and take away liberties from these stones.
Black wants to cut here.
Starting with the cut here.
Atari here.
I used a tesuji here.
Here I can get out.
Taking and coming out are miai.
I thought the game was now favorable for White.
I think the fact I haned and turned a game that wasn't going my way into a favorable one is the reason I won.
The rest was difficult. I'll try my best next time. Subtitles End
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